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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by zahlman »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #870
zahlman wrote: post #869

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> And given the conservaive mindset as of late in the US against trans people and undocumented workers I disagree that they have the beliefs you ascribe to them, broadly speaking. Again, we are talking about the mainstream. Views held by a very large fraction of the general populace.

>I disagree that they have the beliefs you ascribe to them, broadly speaking. Very well. But their party leader does, and few in the party or even among constituents don't seem to push back on it at all. At the very least, they do not oppose the actions and statements taken and made.

> But their party leader does

I disagree with this as well, and I specifically disagree that the "actions and statements taken and made" commonly cited to evidence the point actually evidence the point.

And I have been disagreeing about this since the 2015 election campaign. The pull quotes, to me, very obviously did not mean what they were represented as meaning, and I remain convinced of this.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by zahlman »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #840
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #722

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trans related topics are expressly against TOC and enforced unless a subreddit is ruthless in removing any comments that aren't expressly positive and affirming. There is no room for nuance on this topic. Just giving an example.

to be precise: >Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned. is against TOC. You can talk about trans issues and offer reservations. You cannot say "trans people are a mental illness" or "trans are not people". That is clearly promoting hate and has nothing of substance to discuss. For a more explicit and current example, you can say "I don't think…

> denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate.

To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful?

That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then.

Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This often gets described as "denying existence", which from my observations conservatives just think is absurd. The entire point is that "identity" refers to self-image, while "existence" refers to what is externally observable.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by nikitaga »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #633
nikitaga wrote: post #242

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The authenticity of old fashioned forums is often outweighed by their poor UX and in general terrible ergonomics. It's no wonder that so few people want to use them anymore. Reddit's "nested, collapsible comments sorted by upvotes" format is simply superior. 20 years after Reddit started, the best that the forums can offer is perhaps discourse.org, which is barely any better than traditional forums – sleeker UI for s…

"Nested comments sorted by upvotes" is, for free and frank discussion, inherently far worse than non-nested in-line comments. With the latter there's no hive-mind effect, no consensus-seeking, no dopamine/approval-chasing. Also, traditional forums tended to encourage longer-form posts (which you can still see in places like Spacebattles), which naturally contained quite a lot of technical detail and pictures, whereas…

> stifles disagreement and debate.

When I append "reddit" to my google search query, I'm not looking for "disagreement and debate". I'm looking for specific information on non-political topics, such as repairing my car, finding a good product in the sea of garbage, or learning new techniques. Such topics are typically discussed cooperatively rather than adversarially. For this stuff, consensus-seeking is a feature not a bug, and where the consensus appears inadequate, I'm well capable of looking past the top post. Reddit's format is not perfect, but it's better than having to read through a 30-page thread in which most messages are irrelevant to most other messages. Such threads are linear only artificially through a UI that hides the structure of the underlying conversations.

If you don't like the upvotes aspect of reddit, we could settle on the same nested format but without sorting by upvotes. But with forums, we don't even have that.

Reddit's comments aren't one-liners because Reddit's format encourages that, it's because it's the most popular site where everyone goes. If forums were as widely popular, they would see the same people making the same comments there too.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by ipaddr »

queenkjuul wrote: post #828
ipaddr wrote: post #601

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You read what they said. How do you not know?

Which comment from hilios proves they're not conservative? Show your work

No comment by anyone proves anyone is a liberal or conservative. No comment anyone posts proves anyone is anything. That's the nature of the site.

The user raises concern that a right leaning forum has right leaning filters but fails to mention you see that with some left leaning forums. Based on the shock this person has never visited a left subreddit. Does that mean he is right leaning? Or does this person seek out a right subreddit because they are doing research?

I would guess research because the shock tells us he doesn't visit these places often and he doesn't visit more conservative places lile truth social because they censor at a higher rate.

There is my reasoning. You're challenge is to disprove this.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by efreak »

michaelnovati wrote: post #363
FridayoLeary wrote: post #58

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Hello. It's nice to be able to interact directly with the subject of the article, so thanks for coming on. It's a shame you're being downvoted, because it would definitely be interesting to hear your perspective. This can't be a pleasant experience for you. I have a couple of questions for you. Firstly the article really didn't hold back about you in a way that you don't usually see. But he makes very specific and ve…

I commented on the moderation stuff only to start, https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=45524707&goto=item%3Fi...

This is a link to reply to a post that cannot be used by anyone who doesn't have an account. For anyone else browsing without being logged in (or using a client that can't parse the link), the post URL is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45524707

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by johnnyanmac »

zahlman wrote: post #871
johnnyanmac wrote: post #870

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I disagree that they have the beliefs you ascribe to them, broadly speaking. Very well. But their party leader does, and few in the party or even among constituents don't seem to push back on it at all. At the very least, they do not oppose the actions and statements taken and made.

> But their party leader does I disagree with this as well, and I specifically disagree that the "actions and statements taken and made" commonly cited to evidence the point actually evidence the point. And I have been disagreeing about this since the 2015 election campaign. The pull quotes, to me, very obviously did not mean what they were represented as meaning, and I remain convinced of this.

>The pull quotes, to me, very obviously did not mean what they were represented as meaning

This week alone:

- Trump was ranting about Trans athletes. In the middle of a meeting with Canada.

- we have had 2 inditements of political opponents based on a DM-mistakenly-turned-tweet listing opponents he wanted sued.

- he called democrats a Gnat to take care odd while addressing the generals of the military

- he's mobilizing the national guard, again to invade a city that is not in emergency. When a judge halted this, he tried to sent mobilized CA national guards (which is currently under lawsuit) go Oregon instead. The judge had to summon the DoJ at 7pm on a Sunday to halt this.

- He's also in the process of trying to deploy Texas NG into Illinois. This is on top of a judge needing to tell federal agents to not use force on Chicago journalists. Likely in reaction to the fact that ICE shot a protesting pastor in the face (and yes, that's another lawsuit)

- in midst of a government shutdown, he's trying to plan around laying off 750k federal workers, and not pay any of them as the government has always done.

- and to top it off he wants to call for the arrest of a governor and mayor because they do not want their city invaded.

That's just Trump, just this week. Not talking about RFK's nonsense, Noem's photoshoots, Johnsons attempt to election fraud and blame shifting, and Bondi's embarrassing senate hearing. These are several GOP leaders' consistent behaviors over months. It is the GOP c.2025

And this isn't an unusual week. This entire year's been a firehouse of conflicts that make Watergate seem like a tame kerfuffle. We're well, well, well beyond the idea of "well nothing is happening".

To deny the last 10 months of consistutional crisis is the deny reality. There's really no other way to say it. You're free to disagree with reality but that does not reject it.

Look up any of the nearly 200 EO's, the dozens of court cases against the DoJ, or the hundreds of hours of raw footage out there if you really care about what's happening. Clearly I can't fit that into a HN comment, and I can't make a horse drink even if I could fit it here.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by johnnyanmac »

zahlman wrote: post #872
johnnyanmac wrote: post #840

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be precise: >Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned. is against TOC. You can talk about trans issues and offer reservations. You cannot say "trans people are a mental illness" or "trans are not people". That is clearly promoting hate and has nothing of substance to discuss. For a more explicit and current example, you can say "I don't think…

> denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then. Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This…

>your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful?

Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech":

>public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation

Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interpretation Reddit uses, so your account or community will be banned for breaking its rules, regardless of your interpretation. Both dehumanize, and dehumanization is a one way ticket to denying someone as worthy of the rights humans enjoy.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by h4kunamata »

Reddit API scandal tells you everything you need to know about the platform itself. The CEO is not giving a f to anything.

Moderators there means if I don't like your POV, your posts will be deleted if I have good humour or perma ban if I have had a bad day.

Start using Reddit too much and you quickly start getting depressed with all the shit going on in there.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by jibal »

BrokenCogs wrote: post #851
jibal wrote: post #695

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Such accusations are a dime a dozen and almost always false. (I myself have been accused of being people I'm not.) It's simply a fact that there are people who think alike or who form alliances or kneejerk defenses of someone. In any case, Novati is not acting like a disinterested moderator.

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Fitting username ... I'm the person who posted the comment just above calling out Novati for not moderating the alleged sock.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by jibal »

jojobas wrote: post #863
jibal wrote: post #589

The discussion at https://larslofgren.com/codesmith-reddit-reputation-attack/ is not going well for Mr. Novati. Edit: oops, that was the wrong link! I meant to link to the reddit post discussing that article: https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1o1guxj/tho... I think one of the most telling facts is that pro-Novati poster u/Ok-Donuts has posted numerous comments that are clearly a violation of all norms…

That'll show him!

Meaningless low effort comment.
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