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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Assuming you're a US citizen, to what degree are you personally culpable for the illegal behaviour of the current government? How responsible are you for the recent extrajudicial murders committed by the USA?

I'm not sure why you are making this assumption, but assuming you are not trying to derail the discussion with the usual whataboutism argument, and taking your question at face value, the answer would be "yes".

A citizen of any country should feel responsible for the actions of their government, vote, and take action when things begin to get out of hand. Dictatorships are rarely created overnight, they usually begin slowly by gaining support within the population, with the opposing part of the population doing nothing (or not doing enough). And taking the United States example, we are at an interesting point where indeed it seems it is time to do more: organize opposition, demonstrate, organize strikes?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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So you vote AGAINST the guy at power, and you're responsible? Broken logic.

Voting isn't always enough. There are many other ways to take action in a democracy. Voting is the bare minimum, table stakes.

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Why stop at citizens? Why aren’t all humans responsible? You can’t just sit on the sidelines and say “well I am not responsible for what my fellow humans do”.

I'm not sure what your point is, but it seems to be usual whataboutism, which can derail any rational discussion.

Of course you can't sit on the sidelines.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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That's a naive take that lacks nuance. If your government started doing something you don't agree with, would you renounce your citizenship and move to another country? What would be the threshold of bad things that would be required for you to do that? I think I do have such a threshold, but even as bad as things are in the US right now, I'm still here. Maybe that makes me a bad person. Maybe not; I'd like to think…

> If your government started doing something you don't agree with, would you renounce your citizenship and move to another country?

Yes — and I even thought about the specific red lines that would make me do it.

> Using Iran as the salient example here, do you truly believe that some 30 year old living in Iran is responsible for a regime that was installed before they were born?

Iran is not a good example, because as many have pointed out, sanctions are often mandated by law, not imposed voluntarily.

But there are other examples, where if we follow this line of reasoning ("but regular people are not responsible!") we end up with business as usual while people get murdered. See Russia for an up-to-date example. Being a citizen of a country that murders civilians must have consequences, we can't just do business as usual. Seems unfair? I bet the people who have been murdered would consider the state of things unfair, too.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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> You are pig-headedly refusing

Personal attacks will get you banned here, so please don't post like that.

Also, please don't perpetuate religious/nationalistic flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. I realize other commenters are feeding it, but the important thing is to stop feeding it regardless of what other commenters are doing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Please don't perpetuate religious/nationalistic flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. I realize other commenters are feeding it, but the important thing is to stop feeding it regardless of what other commenters are doing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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That’s very Islamaphobic.

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We ban accounts for religious flamewar, regardless of which religion they have a problem with. Here is an example from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45377645.

I'm not going to ban you right now because you have a long history here, most of which hasn't been like this. But please don't post like this in the future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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