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ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Indeed, it was just a smart move by Viacom/whatever to curry some favor with Trump by doing it now instead of waiting for another time, figuring that favor would be more valuable than the bad PR they earned. Probably a good bet since with the mergers (including the one they themselves were supposedly trying to push across the finish line) it's impractical to hold grudges for long. With only a few oligarchic firms in…

It's exactly the problem that currying favor with the President is a smart move for businesses.

Sure it is. But he was elected with everyone fully knowing that's what he does. Including the popular vote, remember that. Including improving his margins with Hispanic voters and Black voters compared to 2016. [1]

I don't like Trump and I think 80% of his policies seem like those of an immature child. But also, this is what the public wanted when presented with the two choices of this, and Harris, who was the weakest major-party candidate in history. The DNC couldn't literally couldn't beat this guy.

Anyone complaining that Trump should be impeached or should never have been elected should, in my opinion, admit to not believing in democracy. (Which IMHO is fine, but I don't think people are admitting that to themselves.)

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patte...

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Stop criticizing large corporations as moral entities. They have no other incentives other than money. Corporations are amoral (not good or bad). Only money matters. South Park can go on because they make money. Talk-shows are already dying and cutting them is easy choice even under mild pressure. The value talk they use is PR aimed at stakeholders (customers, employees, government). No company has taken a stance whe…

Organizations are led by humans. > Stop criticizing large corporations as moral entities. They have no other incentives other than money. I want better for the world.

You want people to act out of something other then self interest? People like that are the one's who have caused the most trouble.

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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> Sorry but people are entitled to pressure other private citizens when they say disagreable things. I said > I'm 100% supportive of disagreeing, debating, peacefully protesting, ignoring and even mocking ideas we don't agree with but I draw a hard line at shouting down, deplatforming or canceling them. So we agree. What's there to be "Sorry" about? > What First Amendment is trying to protect My post doesn't mention…

> I chose not to post about those because I wanted to focus on the other kind of free speech which doesn't involve the government or the First Amendment and isn't even a matter of law. It's about the morality and ethics of how consistently we as private citizens... That is what the GP took issue with and I do as well. The protection of free speech from government reprisal is a right in this country, and it has a cert…

I care deeply about protecting first amendment free speech and I'm troubled by the government's expanding encroachment on the first amendment, a concern which goes back at least six administrations. I've posted about it frequently. And I'm also concerned by the increasing weaponization of government and partisan lawfare. It's always been a regrettable part of politics but over the last 50 years the entrenchment of the two party duopoly has now led to escalating abuse by both parties.

Frankly, I'm fed up with so many on the right and the left selectively abusing both constitutional free speech rights and civil free speech culture when it's to their advantage and then suddenly caring about them again when either is turned against them. In the 1960s the left elevated the ideal of civil free speech culture by eloquently articulating why it's so important: the rights enshrined in our constitution are safest when also enshrined in our culture. And yet in the last 20 years many on the left rationalized selectively abandoning their decades-long commitment to both F1A rights and free speech culture. And as cancel culture became an epidemic of self-destructive purity spirals, the right suddenly decided they care passionately about free speech culture. Then when political partisans weaponized stringent enforcement of document marking and classification regulations against Trump, he cried "Lawfare" and bleated about the abuse of government power - only to then turn around and pioneer all-new tactics in retaliation. And yet almost no one on either side has shown any self-awareness of how their own side has abandoned any pretense of standing by a principle, if doing so would get in the way of retaliating or, conversely, playing the injured party. What a shit-show all around.

The reason I didn't focus on F1A is because this latest transgression isn't even a good F1A case. It's almost certainly not even enforceable. The FCC guy will just argue being interviewed on a podcast isn't an official act. IMHO, Kimmel was "canceled" off the air by right wing-leaning network affiliate owners because FCC guy's vague threat gave them a fig leaf of justification AND it's within their legal rights. I think it sucks they did that - just as much as it sucked when many on the left canceled right wing viewpoints - even though it was equally within their legal rights.

To me, this whole episode is just more tit-for-tat tactical partisan political point-scoring. The only part of this that's really worth focusing on is it was easier for Disney/ABC's management to cave to those right-leaning affiliate concerns (despite not being right-leaning themselves), in part, because our culture no longer values civil free speech as a moral/ethical standard. Nowadays, as long as it's arguably within your legal rights, canceling someone for saying things you don't like is no longer even considered "a shitty thing to do." Why? Because BOTH sides have now done it when it suited them and then rationalized their behavior. So yeah, it's instructive how many responses to my original post are from those who only want to focus on the F1A rights aspect of this regrettable shit show (despite it not even being a prosecutable transgression). And, wow... the euphemistic vagaries and rationalizations deployed to justify the moral ethics of censorious cancellation are inventive. So much dancing around the clear, bright-line distinction between passively "not having to listen to" disagreeable speech, and actively suppressing that speech (or cheering on those who suppress it). I actually take it as a good sign some still feel a bit uncomfortable just outright admitting they would actively ban even the possibility of other viewpoints ever being heard (presumably under the naive assumption such social, cultural or legal power would only ever be in the hands of those they agree with). It's terribly sad that majorities on both sides seem to have abandoned civil free speech culture as even a principle worth selectively paying insincere lip-service to. It appears, as a society, we're actually choosing a Thunderdome brawl of discourse where it's acceptable for your "good side" to fight dirty, hit below the belt and even entirely silence their "bad side" by any means available: social, cultural, political, economic or legal - as long as you can technically skirt F1A prosecution. A very low bar indeed.

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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For those who want to see the full clip in context, he has a youtube channel (for now). The video in question is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHT7ICvMtlA (Sept 16, 2025) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk (Sept 15, 2025)

The quote cited in TFA claims that the murderer was "one of them". Now, why would someone take out a prominent spokesperson for their own party? They wouldn't, because that's not something that people do to other people they agree with. But somehow, people interpret that remark to make sense? The remark only makes sense if "one of them" refers to the fact the shooter was a white male, and the reader believes all whit…

is this post sarcasm? I can't even tell anymore

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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For those who want to see the full clip in context, he has a youtube channel (for now). The video in question is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHT7ICvMtlA (Sept 16, 2025) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk (Sept 15, 2025)

The quote cited in TFA claims that the murderer was "one of them". Now, why would someone take out a prominent spokesperson for their own party? They wouldn't, because that's not something that people do to other people they agree with. But somehow, people interpret that remark to make sense? The remark only makes sense if "one of them" refers to the fact the shooter was a white male, and the reader believes all whit…

The "one of them" was a reference to the speculation that the killer would turn out to be a blue hair "tranny". https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-loyalist-spreads-w...

There was also the theory that it was a black person, hence all the death threats to historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=death+threats+hbcu

So, yes, there was quite a bit of "see, it wasn't one of ours, it was one of yours" after the guy was caught. Especially when the images of the shooter's mother started surfacing indicating he was raised that way. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tyler+robinson+mother+gun . Charlie Kirk's mother at the memorial service specifically blamed college for radicalizing him, saying that good mother's wouldn't send their kids to college. (I don't have that clip.)

In general, my philosophy is to not speculate publicly when the shooter was going to get caught and identified quickly anyway.

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Also, there is quite a bit of money on the line, you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation: https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-ami...

I believe that you can. "Well, we needed to acquiesce to fascism for our stock price" is not acceptable. Over and over and over we are told about how corporations are job creators and serve a valuable function in our society. We are told that having power distributed across corporations that are in competition with one another is a protection against tyranny. Fat lot of good that did.

I mean, to be fair, it did. There are other media personalities syndicated by other broadcasters that aren't bending the knee to autocratic rule. ABC has shown its not ripe for the fight, and has separated itself as the chaff from the wheat.

If there were a monopoly on media from ONE broadcaster, and that broadcaster didn't fight back, that's a wrap.

But to be sure, competition is NOT an innate feature of capitalism (economic power naturally consolidates in laissez-faire markets), but competition is an external check on capitalism's power; which is empowered by government regulation; and creates mixed market economies. Just as well, mixed market economies - and the ability to have multiple companies for goods and services - are an external check on government AND society power, as well as other companies themselves. It allows people to choose who to work for, buy/sell from, and build their own enterprise if they don't agree with present-day offerings.

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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“Maybe?” Regulating “false information?” There was no false information and the substance of the clip is just video of a person responding to a question.

If regulating false information is actually a part of the FCCs job, Fox "News" should have been shut down long ago.

FCC doesn't regulate cable stations. Local municipalities do have contracts with cable companies for enforcing community standards. Would be funny if blue cities just started forcing Faux News to be dropped as a matter of preventing dissemination of harmful lies and distortions.

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I’m at a loss of what to watch as far as television goes in the US, between the government threatening to intervene in content, corporations that own television networks with little regard for journalistic integrity, and PBS downsizing. I’m pretty much exclusively watching NHK from Japan through a Roku app.

You don't need dinosaur US mainstream media PBS, CNN or MSNBCNow. There's: Last Week Tonight, Thom Hartmann, Democracy Now, Keith Olbermann, and many more.

I like LWT with John Oliver but isn't HBO kinda MSM-y? Like it's a premium network but it's still bound by the whims of Time Warner Discovery or whoever happens to own HBO at the time.

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I’m at a loss of what to watch as far as television goes in the US, between the government threatening to intervene in content, corporations that own television networks with little regard for journalistic integrity, and PBS downsizing. I’m pretty much exclusively watching NHK from Japan through a Roku app.

NHK is also available over the air in some places, if you have an antenna

I get a weak signal of it over the air, but that’s what turned me on to them originally.
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