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Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears

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Post by hdgvhicv »

Gravey wrote: post #870
keernan wrote: post #863

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Who benefits from high stock prices? Certainly not people regularly buying stocks or stock ETFs/Funds.

I suppose if you’re operating on the assumption that tech stocks are vastly overinflated then this makes sense. Otherwise I would expect the people that are regularly buying these securities would be happy that they’re increasing in value, no?

The ponzu scheme of SPY is great until it stops. 10% of America’s payroll gets lumped into it each month and generational wisdom is you get a 10% ROI despite the economy growing 2%.

At some point that will collapse, and it won’t be pretty.

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Post by tracker1 »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #703
tracker1 wrote: post #615

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Oh, like RealPlayer in the late 90's (buffering... buffering...)

RealPlayer in the late 90s turned into (working) Napster, Gnutella and then the iPod in 2001, Podcasts (without the name) immediately after, with the name in 2004, Pandora in 2005, Spotify in 2008. So a decade from crummy idea to the companies we’re familiar with today, but slowed down by tremendous need for new (distributed) broadband infrastructure and complicated by IP arrangements. I guess 10 years seems like a l…

While I get the point... to be pedantic though, Napster (first gen), Gnutella and iPod were mostly download and listen offline experiences and not necessarily live streaming.

Another major difference, is we're near the limits to the approaches being taking for computing capability... most dialup connections, even on "56k" modems were still lucky to get 33.6kbps down and very common in the late 90's, where by the mid-2000's a lot of users had at least 512kbps-10mbps connections (where available) and even then a lot of people didn't see broadband until the 2010's.

that's at least a 15x improvement, where we are far less likely to see even a 3-5x improvement on computing power over the next decade and a half. That's also a lot of electricity to generate on an ageing infrastructure that barely meets current needs in most of the world... even harder on "green" options.

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Post by tracker1 »

platevoltage wrote: post #740
daheza wrote: post #614

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I think apple is fine. When AI works without 1 in 5 hallucinations then it can be added to their product. Showing up late with features that exists elsewhere but are polished in apple presentation is the way.

True. I mean, how long did it take us to get a right click button.

If you're talking apple... if you used a "standard" 2-3 button mouse, It worked in OSX from pretty much the start iirc. I always used a PC mouse for that reason.

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Post by tracker1 »

stephen_g wrote: post #729
tracker1 wrote: post #601

I'm somewhere in the middle on this, with regards to the ROI... this isn't the kind of thing where you see immediate reflection on quarterly returns... it's the kind of thing where if you don't hedge some bets, you're likely to completely die out from a generational shift. Facebook's product is eyeballs... they're being usurped on all sides between TikTok, X and BlueSky in terms of daily/regular users... They're comp…

> They're competing with Google, X, MS, OpenAI and others in terms of AI interactions Am I the only one that find the attempt to jam AI interactions into Meta's products useless and that it only detracts from the product? Like there'll be posts with comedy things and then there are suggested 'Ask Meta AI' about things the comedy mentions with earnest questions - it's not only irrelevant but I guess it's kind of funny…

I was thinking about this.. if you look at (I think OpenAI) the scene generation and interaction demos, it's a pretty natural fit for their VR efforts. Not that I'm sold on VR social networks, but definitely room for VR/AR enhancements... and even then AI has a lot of opportunities, beyond just LLM integration into FB/Groups.

Aside, groups is about the only halfway decent feature in FB, and they seem to be trying to make it worse. The old chat integration was great, then they remove it, and now you get these invasive messenger rooms instead.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

platevoltage wrote: post #752
kjkjadksj wrote: post #448

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Harbor freight is like that too.

harbor freight will take literally anything back, and put it right back on the shelf.

How? It lacks packaging and the tool could be marred up.

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Post by tracker1 »

4ggr0 wrote: post #829
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #786

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pardon me but I am just a little surprised as to how telegram came in the last paragraph? we were talking about social medias and telegram is a messaging app...

Telegram Groups sometimes blur the line between message-only interactions and social media dynamics, depending on how many bots and features they got running.

Yeah... the friends in question run groups/chats including group live streams, which is like a half a step up from X's Spaces as opposed to twitch or youtube streams that seem to have text only chat.

Telegram groups seems to be pretty popular among security minded, survivalists and actual far-right, there's moderate right users in there as well though. Nothing like death threats from ignorant nutjobs though, usually get that from the antifa types, having worked in election services in 2019/2020.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

tracker1 wrote: post #876
4ggr0 wrote: post #829

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Telegram Groups sometimes blur the line between message-only interactions and social media dynamics, depending on how many bots and features they got running.

Yeah... the friends in question run groups/chats including group live streams, which is like a half a step up from X's Spaces as opposed to twitch or youtube streams that seem to have text only chat. Telegram groups seems to be pretty popular among security minded, survivalists and actual far-right, there's moderate right users in there as well though. Nothing like death threats from ignorant nutjobs though, usually…

> and actual far-right

yup, telegram is filled with far-right, very active groups (unfortunately).

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Post by keernan »

Gravey wrote: post #870
keernan wrote: post #863

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who benefits from high stock prices? Certainly not people regularly buying stocks or stock ETFs/Funds.

I suppose if you’re operating on the assumption that tech stocks are vastly overinflated then this makes sense. Otherwise I would expect the people that are regularly buying these securities would be happy that they’re increasing in value, no?

No. The 'goal' of investing (e.g. regularly buying) means attempting to own as many shares as possible. That is achieved by buying low and selling high. Buyers benefit from lower prices, not higher.

So many investors get this concept wrong. I suppose they get excited because what they bought went up in value and they have a sense of being enriched. But, that is backwards. That is what they want 20-40 years from now when it will almost certainly be the case that prices are not just higher, but much higher, than today. But, when they are buying shares, the goal is to pay the lowest price possible. If I am 20 years old, I am screaming: crash and burn baby! Crash and burn! Gimme those shares at 50% off yesterday's price.

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Post by thfuran »

miki123211 wrote: post #712
me551ah wrote: post #414

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Or maybe not. Scaling AI will require an exponential increase in compute and processing power, and even the current LLM models take up a lot of resources. We are already at the limit of how small we can scale chips and Moore’s law is already dead. So newer chips will not be exponentially better but will be more of incremental improvements, so unless the price of electricity comes down exponentially we might never see…

> We are already at the limit of how small we can scale chips I strongly suspect this is not true for LLMs. Once progress stabilizes, doing things like embedding the weights of some model directly as part of the chip will suddenly become economical, and that's going to cut costs down dramatically. Then there's distillation, which basically makes smaller models get better as bigger models get better. You don't necessa…

>doing things like embedding the weights of some model directly as part of the chip will suddenly become economical, and that's going to cut costs down dramatically.

An implementation of inference on some specific ANN in fixed function analog hardware can probably pretty easily beat a commodity GPU by a couple orders of magnitude in perf per watt too.

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Post by PokestarFan »

qeternity wrote: post #672
Jagerbizzle wrote: post #646

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I guess there's no 'M' in "FAANG" but there's this: https://www.geekwire.com/2025/im-good-for-my-80-billion-what...

FAANG has been replaced by Mag7: Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Broadcom, Meta, Microsoft, and Nvidia.

Does Broadcom do anything but get hate for their shitty decisions? They are becoming, if they aren't already, the new Oracle.
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