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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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A 20-30% increase in prices does not match what I've observed. Restaurant prices are up 50-100% over the past decade. This isn't hard to check: look at old and new menu photos on yelp. Banh mi have gone from $3 to $6 in less than ten years. My local gas station mexican place (which has excellent food) has seem a price increase of 50% since 2019 and more like 100% since 2016. Coffee ditto, but luckily I don't buy coff…

Your observations are limited, if you average over large enough an area you will see a different story

If you look up data, you will see my observations matched by readily-available data, other than the claim about fast food prices. Fast food prices have still risen much faster than inflation, but 5x is only true if you examine the cheaper menu items and becomes more obvious when you pay attention to menu item replacements and changes.

On the other hand, your claim that prices have risen 20-30% since 14-18 years ago doesn't even hold up to BLS inflation numbers. Try 46-59%.

edit: I'm also wrong about rice. Rice commodity prices are the same as 2015, retail price is up 15%. I will say that if you don't shop at the right places, though, you're now getting gouged on the rice.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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There's a weird anti-induced demand. Now that I can talk to anyone for free at any moment, I have no desire to What would I even talk about? We have little in common

That's another thing. People have less in common with each other than they used to. People consume different media, pursue different specialized careers, and so on.

In conjunction with the fact that people (or bots) you do share interests with are available in a second with the device in your pocket. Such as posting here.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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The depressing part isn’t that it’s happening, but that it continues to occur despite objections, because the “progressive” activists shame any objects and stop any plans or discourse to rectify the problem.

I think it is quite pointless to blame activists for a deep systematic problem with our culture. It is like an excuse.

The activists should be blamed for causing disruption at the local level for a problem that can only be solved at the federal level.

There isn’t a thing Seattle can do to fix drug addiction/mental health/housing costs (it will remain a high priced local for the foreseeable future). So why should the people of Seattle fall on their sword because the rest of the country won’t get their act together?

In fact, the rest of the country loved that activists in certain cities take on the brunt of the problem, as it lowers their costs.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

#874
Not going to happen. Think about what loneliness is: an unpleasant emotional state characterized by a feeling of isolation, disconnection, and a lack of meaningful social relationships. It arises when there is a discrepancy between a person's desired and actual level of social interaction.

OK, so what drives the desire for social interaction? I think it's our innate need for confirmation of acceptance into a social circle or in-group. This need is deeply rooted in our evolution, as we are more likely to survive and thrive in cohesive, cooperative groups since the days that we lived in caves.

While AI can cosplay a person, it isn't a social group and doesn't carry any of the benefits of belonging to a social circle, and I suspect that deep inside our brains, we will always know this. It may be a distraction from loneliness like other forms of entertainment are, but I really don't see it fulfilling the need.

One other point - I see so many posts about "what if AI does this terrible thing in the future" and they don't seem to realize that LLMs have been a thing for 7 years (GPT1), seem to be hitting a wall of diminishing returns, and these terrible things have not yet happened. If LLMs were going to "solve loneliness", why hasn't this happened yet? As a parallel, if LLMs are in any way intelligent, why haven't we gained any new math, new physics, new anything from them yet? How long do we have to wait to realize that much of this is a massive hype/fear bubble?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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The beers here are $5-12 per beer if you go out. All I did was describe factual information: my local minimum wage, how things to do that don't cost money and are accessible to the average youth here are becoming increasingly rare, how much it costs to drink vs. minimum wage. None of this is an argument, it's a fact. And yes I know, people could and should be more frugal: I only even drink more than single cocktail a…

They're irrelevant facts. Who cares what the federal minimum wage is if anyone who walks in to get a job at McDonald's can make twice as much? Who cares if beers are $5-12 at some places if they're much cheaper elsewhere? The entire point I was making, and the which you are trying to deny by your argument (you may have quoted some factual info, but you're putting it together to make a specific argument to back up you…

> Who cares what the federal minimum wage is if anyone who walks in to get a job at McDonald's can make twice as much?

You need to read more carefully and make less assumptions. My state has no minimum wage. We never gave up slavery, instead becoming a prison state with more prisoners per capita than any single country in the world. We only have an effective minimum wage because of the federal minimum wage. You walk into McDonald's here without experience and you're getting paid $7.25. McDonald's does not do twice that much here.

> The entire point I was making, and the which you are trying to deny by your argument (you may have quoted some factual info, but you're putting it together to make a specific argument to back up your opinion), is that it's actually not that hard to go out and entertain yourself, in person, with friends, for cheap or free.

I'm aware you'd like to make that point, and while focusing on this is moving goalposts/ceding parts of your argument, it's still entirely ignoring everything I explained to you.

I barely drink, and my girlfriend and I do all sorts of things that are cheap or free in addition to things that aren't. But that is not the culture in my state. The entire state suffers from alcoholism, and traditional third spaces are harder and harder to come by. The average person simply does not do anything other than go out and drink and eat. Ask anyone who lives here. It's a seriously depressing state of affairs and for most people, there is not another solution waiting. It's self-reinforcing; I just made plans to catch up with an old high school buddy and the only way I'm going to be able to do that is by meeting him somewhere for some drinks and going to see a movie. And all of his friends are the same, and once most of your friends are at the bar, why wouldn't you be? Almost all of us have been bartenders at one point or another. One of my friends even bought a bar in order to provide a third space to our community (we come from a small town and we all know each other).

My girlfriend and I wanted to go swimming two weekends ago. We tried going to the local community center's swimming pool, but it's now closed indefinitely because some black kids broke in just to swim, but one of them had a weapon on them, presumably for protection (my city floats around the top 5 highest homicide rates in the US[0]) and so the racist community center operators took it as an excuse to close the pool indefinitely and temporarily shut down another of the very few third spaces we have.

Instead, my girlfriend and I had to rent a hotel room just to use their pool for the evening.

The bottom line is you are not from here, you have no idea what it's like living in Louisiana, and you frankly have no idea what you are talking about. Instead, you should listen to what I'm trying to explain to you about an extremely dire, worsening situation that is continuing to erode whatever sense of community we have left here. And it's no accident, this is engineered by an owner class interested in squeezing every last nickel and drop of blood out of our citizenry.

The wealth gap here is just frightening, we're running out of places to go, and the average social pipeline for inner-city youth here typically involves committing crimes and putting yourself in danger. Especially when there are purposefully designed prison funnels intended to bring in profit for the private prison industry and businesses that exploit cheap inmate labor instead of providing those jobs to free citizens.

Consider yourself blessed and privileged to not understand what it's like here.

[0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/murder-ra...

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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The beers here are $5-12 per beer if you go out. All I did was describe factual information: my local minimum wage, how things to do that don't cost money and are accessible to the average youth here are becoming increasingly rare, how much it costs to drink vs. minimum wage. None of this is an argument, it's a fact. And yes I know, people could and should be more frugal: I only even drink more than single cocktail a…

The margaritas at the places I go to are often $3 for a large. Lots of places will have cheap "domestic" beers for $2. Fancy craft beers can be had for $7-10. And that's after COVID price hikes. Less than a decade ago I'd get $2 craft pints often if you knew where to go. I'm in one of the largest metros in the US. Yes, there are plenty of places that will charge $12 for a beer. I don't go there. I can get the same be…

I don't live in one of the largest metros in the US, and we don't have many places like that. There are none that I know of. Not every place is the same.

Things were better pre-COVID, I had a spot I could get $2 pitchers of bud and 50 cents an oyster on Monday nights at a local watering hole. Weekends, not so much, you get overcharged. But, COVID did away with that and now my city is almost as expensive as major metros in California while having absolutely none of the benefits those cities offer.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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The average age of first home owners has risen to 38. In another decade or two the American dream will probably be to buy a house when you're 50 and then settle down, get married, and have a family. I wonder how that's going to work out?

Part of this is simply a function of the average age. There's a much bigger squeeze of life events when everyone dies at 60 instead of 90. We become older, meaning our life events are stretched out further, we leave school later, begin work later, buy a house later, have kids later, retire later, die later. Secondly, within the population the share of old is becoming bigger, meaning the average buyer is older, and al…

This ignores many things. Legal requirements have pushed up home and lot sizes. In the suburbs of NYC a drive will take you from 1910 era suburbs with 800 square foot homes where 80% of the lot is building or useful infrastructure that are now illegal to build, to just built 4000 square foot mansions on lots large enough for apartment buildings with a mandated 20-30% lot coverage maximum. You are also ignoring the fact that even with modern power appliances and automation it takes a lot of time money and people to maintain those new lager homes.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

#878

The idea that AI is going to "solve" loneliness is so insane. Even the framing of the idea is insane, in my opinion. Loneliness is not really about having someone to exchange words with, fundamentally. It is about being validated by other human beings or entities. At a most fundamental level the AI doesn't have a choice except to appear to validate you and this lack of freedom, the fact that you do not win over the A…

Robots used in care homes for elderly people may help with loneliness, especially for those with no family or friends that visit.

And then there are cats?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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This outlook on life is a perilous endeavor. Eliminate lesser friends, curate your circle to find better ones, talk to a professional about your ill-advised beliefs on humanity at large. It's not an easy process, but it's a necessary one. Write it down, make a plan.

The guy got lots of downvotes but I wonder, if we all love each other and think we're all on average pretty much great, how come there's a lot of loneliness? Why is it so hard to create or maintain friendships ? Surely our idea of one another on average isn't ideal otherwise we'd be constantly looking to engage in friendships no?

Fear. People are afraid of rejection, because some experiences are bad. But some experiences being bad doesn’t make all (or even most) experiences bad.

It’s the definition of having to “get back on the horse” after falling.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

#880

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Part of this is simply a function of the average age. There's a much bigger squeeze of life events when everyone dies at 60 instead of 90. We become older, meaning our life events are stretched out further, we leave school later, begin work later, buy a house later, have kids later, retire later, die later. Secondly, within the population the share of old is becoming bigger, meaning the average buyer is older, and al…

> have kids later This doesn't work for women.

Technology is already changing this, although it's still expensive. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3wne86ex9qo
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