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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by cultofmetatron »

bigtex88 wrote: post #839
9dev wrote: post #664

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Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.

Gazans are not being put onto railroad cars and shipped off to camps to be systematically exterminated in gas chambers.

right now , the israeli government is building a "moral concentration camp" for them in gaza atm where gazan will forced to go to or be shot on sight.

can you understand how that isn't any better than what the nazis did?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahea...

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

cess11 wrote: post #864
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #860

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> The drop in longevity in the Gaza strip in 2024 outpaces the Rwandan genocide by a large margin Now do Ethiopia, Sudan and Myanmar. (Fact is we generally can’t calculate these statistics in most war zones.) > Israel is a colonial enterprise, sustained by colonial practices and ruled largely through the displacement of indigenous populations by settlers This is a popular refrain in American political science circles…

Sure, let's "do" them. Show the numbers you have in mind. I don't understand why you are going after that strawman. Settler colonialism is a term that contrasts with exploitative or extractive colonialism, i.e. when a colonial endeavour is established primarily for the purpose of natural resources. That is not the case in Palestine. One could argue that it is true for the israeli diamond industry but I'd rather not,…

> Settler colonialism is a term that contrasts with exploitative or extractive colonialism, i.e. when a colonial endeavour is established primarily for the purpose of natural resources. That is not the case in Palestine

…not every problem is colonialism and immigration. That’s the American political science bias.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tguvot »

cess11 wrote: post #854
tguvot wrote: post #836

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you failed to write how much settlement grew. can't find any data about it ?

Why did you fail to read my comment? https://www.statista.com/chart/20001/number-of-israeli-settl... https://peacenow.org.il/en/settlements-watch/settlements-dat... This excludes a few hundreds of thousands in East Jerusalem. According to international law all of these people must be relocated to israeli territory. If I have understood it correctly the UN GA has given Israel a deadline for this in September.

Population expansion doesn't imply area expansion. People in Israel procreate.

Could you articulate how much in acres settlements expanded in past 20 years. Year over year or something. Or in total

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Post by tguvot »

cess11 wrote: post #867
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day 1 of peaceful march of return: Hundreds of young Palestinians, however, ignored warnings by the organizers and the Israeli military to avoid the border zone.[74] Some began throwing stones and Molotov cocktails, to which Israel responded by declaring the Gaza border zone a closed military zone and opening fire at them.[55] The events of the day were some of the most violent in recent years.[75] In one incident, t…

Yes, that is quite peaceful given the circumstances and that thirty thousand people participated. The IDF should have retreated and the israeli government have ended the occupations and started dismantling its colonies in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, then entered negotiations about return and reparations. To get a feel for how the IDF perceives the Gaza strip border one can watch https://xcancel.com/Timesofgaza/…

well, in this case, idf reaction was quite peaceful given the circumstances and that thirty thousand people participated and tried to overrun the border while been armed

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Post by mhb »

immibis wrote: post #826
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did you ever consider that media coverage is very selective and biased ? i remember half an year ago, during ceasefire when gaza was swamped in aid and food was rotting on the streets, laura coates at prime time said that "hundreds of gazans die from starvation daily". never happened. not even dozens. or when at abby phillips show yesterday, somebody tried to say that presenting images of children with genetic diseas…

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Struggle harder to explain how 10's of thousands of civilian deaths out of a population of 2 million and which has been increasing during the "genocide" can possibly be a "genocide".

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Post by mhb »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #871
bigtex88 wrote: post #839

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Gazans are not being put onto railroad cars and shipped off to camps to be systematically exterminated in gas chambers.

right now , the israeli government is building a "moral concentration camp" for them in gaza atm where gazan will forced to go to or be shot on sight. can you understand how that isn't any better than what the nazis did? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahea...

So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". And when there is no actual concentration camp we can say there is a "moral concentration camp". Stop getting your news from Al Jazeera, FFS.

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Post by mhb »

e40 wrote: post #808
nandomrumber wrote: post #657

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It is this attitude that allows this genocide to start and continue.

If only the Western democracies were subjected to similar genocides, we would have the solution to our TFR problem.

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Post by mhb »

ace_of_spades wrote: post #754
martin82 wrote: post #744

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the BBC is not unbiased in this (or anything), so I would ignore any "documentary" aired by them.

Who is unbiased in this case? You have to acknowledge that all parties have agendas.

Apparently martin82's comment was too subtle for you so here it is more explicitly. The BBC has a long history of antisemitic and anti-Israel bias. This is not a secret.

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Post by nandomrumber »

xg15 wrote: post #685
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No, but the level of dehumanization openly present is comparable.

That’s a wildly out of touch with way reality statement!

If you flooded Gaza with chemical weapons and wiped them all out you wouldn’t even come close!

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Post by cultofmetatron »

mhb wrote: post #876
cultofmetatron wrote: post #871

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right now , the israeli government is building a "moral concentration camp" for them in gaza atm where gazan will forced to go to or be shot on sight. can you understand how that isn't any better than what the nazis did? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahea...

So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". And when there is no actual concentration camp we can say there is a "moral concentration camp". Stop getting your news from Al Jazeera, FFS.

> So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide".

Please show me where the targeted population is "increasing" over the last two years? is it because people from other areas are being forced to relocate and you guys call that a population increase?

Where should i get my news from? last I checked, 100+ journalists came out with a written statement about how higher ups at the BBC were preventing news critical of Israel from being broadcast on air. The concentration camp thing has been corroborated by several news sources including some from within Israel itself. Even CNN nowadays is starting to be critical of the genocide.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/02/more-than-400-...

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