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US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Trump orders

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Re: US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Trump orders

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He would have been wrong to do so.

Not at all. The president has to protect the powers of his office, and when the courts overstep he doesn't have an obligation to give them deference.

It's not the role of the executive to determine that, it's up to the judicial and legislative. Ignoring court orders is wildly inappropriate.

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it seems like you’re not really understanding the “point” of the United States and what makes it different from other countries. That’s a shame. Is america only for the white descendants, the former slave owning class? Perhaps former Nazis who fled Germany after the war? Who is america _really_ for? Why should Trump and the GOP get to decide who the undesirables are? This narrative of “giving away citizenship” quite…

That's not the "point" of America.

>Even as a child growing up it was clear to me (from teachers, textbooks, books, movies) that what makes america special is its ability to integrate immigrants from various backgrounds into 1 working nation. It’s a land of immigrants from the start.

Is it possible you were fed propaganda from a very young age?

Re: US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Trump orders

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Hold up. If you're born here And I'm born here .... ?????????? It's right there in the fucking Constitution!

That's what I'm saying, it's one of the most simple Amendments in terms of understandability, yet people will completely ignore that somehow. If the 14th can be loop-holed, we might as well chuck all copies of the constitution in the Potomac and just declare Trump dictator

"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was added for a reason.

Re: US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Trump orders

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it seems like you’re not really understanding the “point” of the United States and what makes it different from other countries. That’s a shame. Is america only for the white descendants, the former slave owning class? Perhaps former Nazis who fled Germany after the war? Who is america _really_ for? Why should Trump and the GOP get to decide who the undesirables are? This narrative of “giving away citizenship” quite…

That's not the "point" of America. >Even as a child growing up it was clear to me (from teachers, textbooks, books, movies) that what makes america special is its ability to integrate immigrants from various backgrounds into 1 working nation. It’s a land of immigrants from the start. Is it possible you were fed propaganda from a very young age?

well, i’ve discussed this topic with my family that lives in europe every year when i visit, and they don’t disagree. Our immigrant culture in the U.S. is what makes us different. We don’t have a single ethnicity, a single culture, etc. the way most countries on the globe do.

I also think it’s hilarious when americans, who are (almost always) americans because one of their ancestors immigrated to the U.S., try to “pull the ladder up behind them” by hating on immigrants or treating them poorly. Letting others seek a better life like their ancestors did? Inconceivable apparently…hence my comment about most americans needing a mirror.

Enough about me. Since you disagree, what do YOU think the point of the US is? What makes us unique and mostly successful as a nation? Since you claim i read propaganda.

Re: US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Trump orders

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That's not the "point" of America. >Even as a child growing up it was clear to me (from teachers, textbooks, books, movies) that what makes america special is its ability to integrate immigrants from various backgrounds into 1 working nation. It’s a land of immigrants from the start. Is it possible you were fed propaganda from a very young age?

well, i’ve discussed this topic with my family that lives in europe every year when i visit, and they don’t disagree. Our immigrant culture in the U.S. is what makes us different. We don’t have a single ethnicity, a single culture, etc. the way most countries on the globe do. I also think it’s hilarious when americans, who are (almost always) americans because one of their ancestors immigrated to the U.S., try to “pu…

The point of any country is to serve the interests of the people in that country. Pulling up the ladder behind yourself can be rational; imagine a lifeboat scenario where you're about to sink. Settlers are different than immigrants. America is unique for the most part because it was created by a unique set of settlers from England. The same reason Canada, Australia, and South Africa are unique places.

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well, i’ve discussed this topic with my family that lives in europe every year when i visit, and they don’t disagree. Our immigrant culture in the U.S. is what makes us different. We don’t have a single ethnicity, a single culture, etc. the way most countries on the globe do. I also think it’s hilarious when americans, who are (almost always) americans because one of their ancestors immigrated to the U.S., try to “pu…

The point of any country is to serve the interests of the people in that country. Pulling up the ladder behind yourself can be rational; imagine a lifeboat scenario where you're about to sink. Settlers are different than immigrants. America is unique for the most part because it was created by a unique set of settlers from England. The same reason Canada, Australia, and South Africa are unique places.

I think a more rational response would be to tightly restrict what _type_ of immigrants we want, instead of making them seem like the bad guy. To “serve our needs” as you say. I also just think it’s in poor taste to hate on immigrants if that’s how so many of us got here.

Anyway, thanks for the honest response. Gives me something to think about…

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This is essentially an ad hoc Constitutional Convention being carried out by 6 people, 3 of whom were hand-picked by the sitting president and another of whom is arguably the most corrupt Supreme Court Justice in our history. Nothing is off the table. Anyone who thinks the Constitution can protect them should think again.

It's amazing how much people love unlimited authority as long as they perceive that they are on the winning team.

It's always amazing to watch those same people when the pendulum swings away from their hubris.

Re: US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Trump orders

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Becoming a doctor, lawyer, scientist, or engineer is a personal choice, and a personal investment. You don’t get to socialize the costs and privatize the gains for your personal benefit in the name of “society”. If you need to take out a loan, borrow against your future, not everyone else’s. You’ll be making more money later so it’s not like you can’t afford it anyways.

However you can't protect yourself against all kind of things happening, like pandemic affecting your ability to work. In cases of emergencies government can and often does intervene (see housing crisis, airlines during covid etc). Why wouldn't government offset something like this in case of student loans during emergencies? In the end this was a statue ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_Education_Relief_Opport.…

> In cases of emergencies government can and often does intervene (see housing crisis, airlines during covid etc). Why wouldn't government offset something like this in case of student loans during emergencies?

Because it is unconstitutional, and because it is unlawful. It is during times of emergencies that individual liberties are under the greatest threat and so it is during those times they need the strongest protections.

I find it funny you cite the housing crisis and covid as paragons because the government intervention to each of those were horrible and people in general would be much better off in the long run if the government never intervened. Maybe you don't like the idea that the government can be a threat, but I assure you that governments can and do go rogue. Never forget that the constitution was written as a document to put limits on the government. There is an important reason for framing it exactly like that. It puts into focus the very real dangers of having a centralized power encroaching in on every aspect of your life. With every piece it seizes, it also seizes a piece of your individual autonomy.

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