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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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mrguyorama wrote: post #787
matt-attack wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Australia has some of the strictest border policies (drastically more strict than us). Do you believe they’re just racist policies too?

>So all counties with strong border policies are racist? Please inform me how the US under democrats has NOT had "strong border policy"? Do you know what Obama did more than any president before him? He rounded up immigrants, placed them in front of judges to give them due process, and shipped them out of the country if they did not have a legal right to be here. Sure is funny how that is "weak border policy"

The Biden administration proudly reversed course from Obama's stance on immigration. I never said anything about democrats vs republicans. Each administration seems to take immigration differently with no connection to party lines (best I can tell).

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Post by matt-attack »

kstrauser wrote: post #606
matt-attack wrote: post #601

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Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?

That’s a lie. The actual number was closer to 4 million. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni...

Why try to minimize it or be defensive about the figure? The Biden administration is proud the number is high. Do you want the number high or low?

From ChatGPT:

> So, while 10–11 million CBP encounters is the most solid official figure, when you add gotaways, overstays, and parole entries, the total number of people likely entering without full authorization could reasonably be around 15–17 million during the Biden presidency.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #635
notepad0x90 wrote: post #245

Politics aside, LA just can't seem to catch a break. Floods last year, fires earlier this year and now this. That said, what the current administration is doing is almost like they're following a manual other countries followed on their road to nationalistic decline and all the right people in places of power seem to know this. I wonder if they're ready for it? My observation is that the previous administration had f…

If the Dems of 2020 understood that twitter is largely a fringe group of outspoken individuals, they probably would have won in landslide victories. Even if Biden had chosen a strong leader as VP rather than go with a diversity hire to appease the twitterites, we still could have probably avoided this.

I think the neoliberal regime is the exact opposite of the ones capitulating to twitterites. Harris was vice president and in the establishment, they chose to push her instead of making an emergency primary.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

jl6 wrote: post #514

It's clear that many commenters here are operating from completely different factual bases, in terms of who did what, and in what order. Fog of war seems to be in effect.

Been in effect for the last decade or so, sadly. I simply rely on my eyes and the live feed before me. LA isn't on fire and it's not even as bad as your average Lakers game.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

matt-attack wrote: post #604
jonplackett wrote: post #399

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Because they don’t really care. It’s just about creating divisions in society to keep people voting for people that do everything against their interests.

Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.

> millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system?

Except these raids aren’t targeting that population. They’re going after the ones paying taxes. To the extent we have folks overburdening the system, it’s largely our native born (and refugees).

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Post by johnnyanmac »

laurent_du wrote: post #713
aaronbaugher wrote: post #652

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It takes a lot of words to convince people not to believe what they can see for themselves in video.

Not really? These people will simply disregard the clips, claiming they are a piece of right-wing propaganda, and that the protest are peaceful, because how could it be otherwise? Of course fighting ICE, feds, and helping criminals (in some case drug dealers and even at least one murderer) is inherently peaceful, just like the BLM riots were.

>These people will simply disregard the clips, claiming they are a piece of right-wing propaganda

As the media also ignores police brutality, reporters being shot at, and how outright illegal this whole deployment is. You can't have it both ways.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

laurent_du wrote: post #714
thesuitonym wrote: post #582

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Fog of war? Call it what it is: A misinformation campaign fueled by one of the most successful propaganda networks in history.

The funny thing is that it's impossible to know which side you belong to just by reading this one comment.

The law is not on Trump's side. That makes this pretty decisive.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

yupitsme123 wrote: post #836
localghost3000 wrote: post #790

I live in LA and have been here for almost 30 years now. This stunt is a provocation designed to get a reaction. He wants an excuse to crack heads in a city he hates and that hates him back. He probably also wants us to forget about Musk outing him on the Epstein files. Watching this unfold here is reminding me strongly of the Ghorman plotline in Andor S2: "You need a resistance you can count on to do the wrong thing…

I don't disagree with you, but after all the damage that was done by riots in 2020, there should be a desire to nip violent protests in the bud.

As Newsom said, sending military on US soil is escalating violence, not quelling it.

We have some 9000 LAPD and we have sports game upsets with worse destruction than this. This was not only illegal but unnecessary.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

spacemadness wrote: post #37
crmd wrote: post #4

I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against left-wing activists that spreads to other cities. I sincerely hope I’m cynically wrong here.

It’s been pretty obvious from their behavior and rhetoric since the beginning. It’s not cynicism.

Yup. It's in project 2025, it's been their narrative since the adminsitration started. They never wanted "law and order".
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