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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by Snow_Falls »

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #858
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #56

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It’s also crazy (read: unconstitutional) to punish students who do have everything to do with these protests.

Often, these protests were overtly supporting an organization officially classed as "terrorist" (HAMAS). The Americans making foreigners who are found to openly support a known terrorist organization leave is par for the course, I would say. If you showed up at the German border and told them you were a HAMAS supporter, my guess is you wouldn't get in. Now, the Trump admin is not this careful, and many people who are…

'often'? Do you have some statistics?

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Post by stevenwoo »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #705
Larrikin wrote: post #503

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Everything Columbia University did and what they got in return.

i was hoping for an example out of this particular domain (because i cant think of one), but it'll do.

Apple just got warned if they don’t bring manufacturing to USA they will be hit by company specific tariffs after Tim Cook bent the knee twice with personal pleas to lower tariffs for a bit and million dollar personal donations.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

moralestapia wrote: post #793
anigbrowl wrote: post #596

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children of the most powerful families across the world I doubt that most of those people are reliant on student visas.

You cannot jump over immigration requirements "just because you're powerful", and the vast majority of them are not US citizens.

You could probably get round immigration requirements by "gifting" a jet or something

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Post by fnordpiglet »

anigbrowl wrote: post #596
fnordpiglet wrote: post #283

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Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

children of the most powerful families across the world I doubt that most of those people are reliant on student visas.

The students absolutely are. Up until now the law applies to everyone. Now, their applications were probably rapidly approved unlike many international students. But there’s no carve out for being powerful (yet).

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Post by fnordpiglet »

epolanski wrote: post #528
fnordpiglet wrote: post #283

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Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

He's 78 and at the end of his political career in few years, he could care less.

This is a tour of vengeance, creating a place in history, establishing a family dynasty of inherited power, and a smatter of narcissistic delusion.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

lobsterthief wrote: post #465
bamboozled wrote: post #366

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Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard When you frame it like this... it doesn't sound like such a loss. But yeah, it's not the only way to frame it.

The percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category is statistically insignificant. It’s not even worth framing.

As a percentage of -students- yes but as a percentage of world power children? That’s a much smaller cohort, and is the cohort that matters in this context.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

rayiner wrote: post #821
fnordpiglet wrote: post #283

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Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

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I actually think indoctrinating their children in western human liberalism -is- a feature. But whether it’s a feature or a flaw, it’s an aspect of having the best brand on earth that those with the most money aspire to it. If you’re in an African country Harvard degrees are extremely prestigious, more so than in America, so the drive to attain it is even greater - even if it’s largely limited to the wealthy. But not entirely - Harvard is need blind and pays 100% of the way for many international students. You are either there because you’re exceptional or exceptionally rich.

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Post by moralestapia »

nebula8804 wrote: post #802
moralestapia wrote: post #795

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Harvard does not have "the best and brightest" students and that's a meme that needs to die as is discriminatory to literally all the other students in the US and the planet .

You are nitpicking. It is an elite institution that still attracts elite class people or else it wouldn't be worth so much to so many groups. There are hundreds of universities in the US, many of which have no kind recognition of the kind Harvard has.

>You are nitpicking.

I am doing the opposite, @kristopolous is the one who attached the "best and brightest" label to Harvard students. I am arguing that's unfair.

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Post by littlestymaar »

nashashmi wrote: post #432
littlestymaar wrote: post #415

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You are attributing too much power to the Israeli. Trump signed a ceasefire with Houthi last week that doesn't protects Israel: that is, the US stops bombing them as long as they don't attack US ships, and attacks against Israel aren't a casus belli for the US anymore. The Republican party is strongly favorable to Israel, but since Netanyahou pissed Trump, they don't get special treatment anymore, that's what happen…

I am not sure why you think overseas policy going against Israel’s wishes directly means Israel doesn’t have influence in the United States. I find it awkward you think that Israel is not giving special treatment to the US if the US does not do something in favor of Israel in foreign affairs. Awkward. More awkward is that you think the US is not protecting Israel if it has a ceasefire with Houthis.

There's nothing “awkward”, and this phrasing doesn't really suggest that you are willing to discuss the topic in good faith.

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #866
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #861

I worked there for years, still spend a lot of time there, and therefore know a lot of people who either are or were there. Many people associated with the University are pretty happy about it getting smacked down. Shameless, wrong, and overtly illegal discrimination on the basis of race, sex, and creed, suppression of free speech, even the compelling of speech have all been de rigeur for Harvard for the past decade.…

>This was all overt in that it was openly talked about, people would send emails to the effect "this job opening must go to a brown woman", etc. Source?

I was there and saw these emails.
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