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Post by lurk2 »

throwaway652368 wrote: post #866
tovej wrote: post #847

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No moderation is still worse. It means that -- especially with 4chans activity-based thread sorting -- the most "engaging" (read: rage-inducing) content gets bubbled up without fail. AND that you can drive away all reasonable people with, e.g. gore or absolutely reprehensible political views. Views that are not only explicitly racist but genocidal. The board is called /pol/, but it doesn't actually discuss politics,…

Why do people think 4chan is unmoderated? It is moderated, spamming an unrelated board with gore or porn will certainly get you banned, and illegal porn will get you banned and reported to federal agencies. It's unmoderated in the sense that you're allowed to say things that are against the status quo, but that's a good thing. >absolutely reprehensible political views Also known as thoughtcrime

> Also known as thoughtcrime

Is conspiracy to commit murder an unfairly persecuted thoughtcrime that we should permit on the off-chance that punishing it would lead to Orwellian outcomes?

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by ryandrake »

danielktdoranie wrote: post #820
KPGv2 wrote: post #640

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> the bad men say the mean things You really lose all credibility when you downplay the richest man on earth openly bribing voters and the President claiming the man helped rig voting machines, and that same man makes Nazi salutes and goes to Europe and supports the Nazi party in the place where they invented Nazi parties. And then he basically moves into the White House and magically his companies start getting gove…

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If it wasn't a nazi salute, why don't you go into work tomorrow and do it (exactly as Musk did it) in front of your manager, and then let us know what happens.

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Post by vel0city »

danielktdoranie wrote: post #820
KPGv2 wrote: post #640

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> the bad men say the mean things You really lose all credibility when you downplay the richest man on earth openly bribing voters and the President claiming the man helped rig voting machines, and that same man makes Nazi salutes and goes to Europe and supports the Nazi party in the place where they invented Nazi parties. And then he basically moves into the White House and magically his companies start getting gove…

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Just one little example:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefit...

And it 100% was a Nazi salute. Plain as day. Quit telling people to ignore what their own eyes can see. Him saying a little phrase after doing that gesture doesn't change the gesture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/...

> Imagine being trigger by a department of government finding fraud, waste

They're doing nothing of the sort. They'll probably only end up wasting more money than anything they're "saving", which is really "saving" in the same way as not paying your rent is "saving".

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Post by throwanem »

lurk2 wrote: post #865
throwanem wrote: post #842

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> This isn’t true at all. Many will say the same. Still, both cohorts' language and behavior evince continuous cultural cross-pollination from around 2012 (at least; I wasn't paying serious attention much sooner), at a rate and scope both well in excess of broader culture's adoption of same as substantially attributable to either source. That still has to be explained, and I would be curious how you do so, although y…

> Still, both cohorts' language and behavior evince continuous cultural cross-pollination from around 2012 (at least; I wasn't paying serious attention much sooner), at a rate and scope both well in excess of broader culture's adoption of same as substantially attributable to either source. Do you have any evidence or anecdotes to explain why you believe that? > you'll almost certainly prefer to keep trying to indict…

"Most avid users," I believe I said. You seem to exclude yourself from the category, so it isn't surprising you should have a perspective other than that I seek to describe.

As for the rest, I made a general factual claim that I'm happy to discuss, but I do not know you and neither can nor care to attempt to speak to your personal situation, so if you continue insisting on the latter I'll have to demur from further participation. I'm a student of and commentator upon the moment of history in which I happen to have found myself, rather than a social scientist or indeed any other kind, and also not your father confessor. If the result of my observation and analysis fails to satisfy your standard, that's okay by me.

Or we could try to have a conversation about it, I suppose. For example, what explains the trend of both cultures' slang growing more similar over time? Merely circulating receipts to make fun of doesn't seem likely to have this result; why socially adopt language unique to a common object of social-bonding contempt? And so forth.

I obviously don't have a lot of data for or against, and I think neither does anyone else for events too recent to have more than begun to be studied. I am one unemployed software engineer. You are free to demand I exceed in result the entire professional vocation whose job is this kind of analysis, but I can of course do nothing in response save disappoint.

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Post by jofla_net »

robotnikman wrote: post #397

I did some digging and the hacker posted which exploit he used. Apparently some boards allowed uploading PDF files, but the site never checked if the PDF file was an actual PDF file. Once a PDF file was uploaded it was passed to a version of Ghostscript from 2012 which would generate a thumbnail. So the attacker found an exploit where uploading a PDF with the right PostScript commands could give the attacker shell ac…

Same or similar thing happened to Gitlab. it used some common parsing library that worked on images and perl scripts... you can see where this is going

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Post by throwanem »

helle253 wrote: post #853
throwanem wrote: post #483

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> I've always felt that the 'there are only two internet cultures: 4chan and tumblr' has felt somewhat accurate. "Somewhat accurate" is exactly right. This formulation overstates the number of Internet cultures by one, in that the deepest and most shameful secret of both websites' most avid users is that they have always been both websites' most avid users. Other than that, there's nothing wrong with it.

I disagree with this statement, but I get what you're saying. Two communities with distinct cultures, whose membership nonetheless overlaps, are still two distinct cultures. They may influence each other through that overlapping membership, but that does not mean they're the same.

I'm not sure if you're arguing that the overlap was less than I describe or that it was negligible. But I would soften my prior claim far enough to say that, while each site had its own constellation of cultural tropes and styles with which the median user of that site would primarily identify, a large minority or more of each site's most prolific cultural transmitters was broadly and continuously informed by participation in both cultures, such that those cultures tended over time to express increasingly similar behaviors, utterances, and semiosis, despite over the same span each growing overtly more hateful and contemptuous of the other.

(A Freudian might reduce this to superego vs. id, a Jungian to animus and anima. I'm not any of those kinds of mendicant, and make no assertion as to etiology. But it is anything but controversial to suggest we have recently changed our environment in ways that can be unexpectedly dangerous for the young and others whose personalities are incompletely or imperfectly developed.)

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Post by throwaway652368 »

lurk2 wrote: post #871
throwaway652368 wrote: post #866

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people think 4chan is unmoderated? It is moderated, spamming an unrelated board with gore or porn will certainly get you banned, and illegal porn will get you banned and reported to federal agencies. It's unmoderated in the sense that you're allowed to say things that are against the status quo, but that's a good thing. >absolutely reprehensible political views Also known as thoughtcrime

> Also known as thoughtcrime Is conspiracy to commit murder an unfairly persecuted thoughtcrime that we should permit on the off-chance that punishing it would lead to Orwellian outcomes?

I've never seen conspiracy to commit murder of individual people on 4chan. That would violate U.S. law and thus is banned from the site. There are retarded posts about genociding whole groups of people, but while that's totally retarded, it shouldn't be censored, no more than it should be illegal to propose blowing up the sun.

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Post by nathan_compton »

artursapek wrote: post #801
Zambyte wrote: post #793

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I have an awesome circle of people on Bluesky that I'm connected with that very much care about each others feelings. I'm sure that's not universal on there, but the corner that I'm in on there has probably been my most pleasant experience on the internet ever.

It’s performative. Not real

This is one of the weirder contemporary "anti-woke" takes. For one thing, that which is performative can easily also be genuine, and quite arguably if one feels genuine about something then one ought to perform it, hopefully in a way that makes it attractive to other people.

But on the subject of whether things are genuine or not, I see lots of actual, cash on the table, give money, mutual aid in these communities. I could understand performance as being artificial, but if someone is dropping cash to help a person out of a bad situation, that seems a pretty good definition of authentic to me.

In any case, "it's performative" simply does not imply it is not also real.

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #529
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #418

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Certainly has nothing to do with the toxic userbase of at least some of the boards

I bet you 90% of the haters have never even been to the website.

i don't know why you'd bet that

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

tapoxi wrote: post #652
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #633

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No. Not even close. Far closer to Obama and his circle. Around Carpocalypse 2008, a bunch of three letter agencies started pushes for internet connected vehicles knowing the tech wasn’t there; but would be. I watched it happen. There was some shady shit, and the reality was 2008 wasn’t just about GM and Chrysler but and entire JustInTime mistake that could have stopped almost all car production around the world. Diff…

Obama wasn't president until January 2009.

The fallout was after 2009, thank you though maybe I was remembering it wrong. I wasn’t, and you were making assumptions, but good to check anyhow.
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