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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by dzonga » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 10:33 AM UTC

Amezarak wrote: post #789

Yeul wrote: post #722

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Tech bros who are frustrated with their job fantasizing about doing "real work". An entire generation has grown up without assembly lines so it is easy to mystify it. People in Vietnam don't enjoy making Nikes but it is better than what came before: subsistence farming. But the Vietnamese factory worker trying to send their kids to university too.

Manufacturing employment plummeted in the US after the 90s. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/manemp Lots of people remember the 80s and 90s being better times with quality manufacturing employment without romanticizing the past. To this day multiples of the “information” sector are employed in US manufacturing.

thanks for highlighting this. to those unaware the US currently employs 20M people in manufacturing while Information is only 3M.

so yeah even with a 'non-existent' manufacturing sector it has been able to provide more jobs than so called technology industry.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by _heimdall » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 11:13 AM UTC

lukas099 wrote: post #867

_heimdall wrote: post #794

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If your concerns are only procedural, surely congress could fix that if they cared. If they actually had the vote to impeach they could likely have the voter to either pass new law or amend the constitution to ensure the removal is enforced.

Or we could fix it now, before the Constitutional crisis, which is what we were talking about from the start.

Were we? This chain started with the idea of getting rid of the concept of the president and moving to a parliamentary system. Then it shifted a bit into giving the judicial branch its own law enforcement agency.

Those both risk creating a constitutional crisis, not avoiding one.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by InDubioProRubio » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 12:12 PM UTC

goosedragons wrote: post #773

erkt wrote: post #766

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It’s not about trade deficits-it’s about becoming an independent manufacturer again. Whether or not anyone international buys what we make is secondary. Wealth is disproportionately allocated to those that benefit from globalization but the vast majority of Americans are hurting from it, even if a OLED TV costs nickels.

How do these tariffs help the vast majority of Americans? Maybe in a half a decade-decade time they can get a job in some factory as a tech??? Except there's so much uncertainty and so much tariffs even on raw material that it doesn't even make sense from that perspective. Raising prices on everything is not going to help the majority of Americans. Taxing the rich might have but half the rationale for these tariffs i…

Was there a plan and logic to outsourcing those jobs and leaving half the country to fend for itself and beg for handouts though?

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by InDubioProRubio » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 12:14 PM UTC

thfuran wrote: post #800

erkt wrote: post #766

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It’s not about trade deficits-it’s about becoming an independent manufacturer again. Whether or not anyone international buys what we make is secondary. Wealth is disproportionately allocated to those that benefit from globalization but the vast majority of Americans are hurting from it, even if a OLED TV costs nickels.

If you think that Trump's goal is to help the average person at the expense of the capital class, I have a few bridges to sell you.

If they scream NO in the same loud voice they do on taxes, something is working.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by goosedragons » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 1:02 PM UTC

InDubioProRubio wrote: post #873

goosedragons wrote: post #773

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How do these tariffs help the vast majority of Americans? Maybe in a half a decade-decade time they can get a job in some factory as a tech??? Except there's so much uncertainty and so much tariffs even on raw material that it doesn't even make sense from that perspective. Raising prices on everything is not going to help the majority of Americans. Taxing the rich might have but half the rationale for these tariffs i…

Was there a plan and logic to outsourcing those jobs and leaving half the country to fend for itself and beg for handouts though?

Yes, cheaper goods and more profits duh. If Walmart and others can pay as low as possible wages and shift burden onto the state and it's legal they'll do it. And they did.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by arandomusername » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 1:32 PM UTC

actualwitch wrote: post #869

arandomusername wrote: post #731

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What social nets did he dismantle? Similarly, democrats need to acknowledge that they are responsible for Trump getting elected. Immigration was one of the biggest issues for voters and it went rampant under the democrats.

It is sorta insane to me how someone can exist in the same reality that I do, and not be aware of, like, the main part of the platform that dude is implementing right now? Perhaps that is caused by all the mentions of DOGGY/Musk getting instantly flagged off the front page, but weren't they pretty open about their plans? It's all in project 2025. It's such a large amount of open and well-documented information that c…

You said Trump dismantled social nets. Your AI slop doesn't mention any social nets that were dismantled.

Please tell me, what social nets could one rely on before Trump that they cannot now?

> but it doesn't include stuff like people's pension plans being dependent on economy being in "number go up" state, which is not the case now.

Sounds like a ponzi scheme.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by arandomusername » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 1:33 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #868

arandomusername wrote: post #825

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Never mentioned bleach. Mentioned UV disinfection right before that quote. Never suggested it or said it's a good idea. Just said it's interesting, worth checking out, and has to be done by medical doctors. Completely manipulating and twisting what Trump said to further your agenda - again proving the user above right. Is what Trump said stupid? Yeah. Did he suggest to inject bleach? No

OK so he suggested injecting disinfectant. Which is basically the same as bleach. If you can’t tell that from the video I’m not sure what’s going on anymore. He also talks about putting UV lights inside the body, which is still a bit dumb, but not as dumb as injecting or ingesting disinfectant or bleach. If you want to say he is only says it could be ‘interesting’ to inject or consume disinfectant then sure, why not…

When you get a wound, it's often a good idea to disinfect it. Do you wash your wounds with bleach?

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by arandomusername » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 1:39 PM UTC

freejazz wrote: post #854

arandomusername wrote: post #726

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You really are proving that user right, considering Trump never suggested injecting bleach.

You're proving that user right. Taking one minor quibble about what this other poster said, which was obviously not a full recitation of all of Trump's highly questionable conduct over the years (as opposed his less questionable conduct) isn't the slam dunk you're making it. It's more like nitpicking that goes well beyond the point and only serves to demonstrate you interest in arguing small details and not anyone's…

Nitpicking? Minor quibble? It was the major point that the user brought up.

> Just a good time to remember that the same guy who thinks tariffs are a good idea is the guy who stood at a podium during Covid next to the world’s leading expert and suggested injecting bleach into Covid patients was a good idea.

First sentence, right here. It's complete dishonest framing to make what Trump said seem as bad as possible. Which just goes back to the parent user's comment:

> Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by jijijijij » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 1:42 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #850

jijijijij wrote: post #846

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> You can restrict immigration in a humane and respectful way But this won't change anything, if their demand is not reasonable, or founded in truth to begin with. As I said, the AfD is most popular where there are no migrants at all. Lots of them feel their narrative validated when they see a brown person existing, see "Turkish" people living here for generations. The goalpost will always shift. You will never satis…

On the contrary, demands that aren't founded in reality are often easier to satisfy, because pure rhetoric can shift the narrative much more easily than it can shift reality. Going back to Denmark again, if you pulled out charts and tried to track the objective quantity of immigration, you'd have a hard time identifying any policy shift. But as you say, immigration restrictionists were never looking at these charts i…

Honestly, I get the impression your objective is to get a foot in the door for a certain idea, so to speak. Concern trolling ("just" preservation of Danish culture, huh?!), constructing a narrative where legitimizing neonazi parties through compromise is without alternative. You are not even addressing the foreign influence with these movements, the threat of social media reality distortion. Although, you tried to preemptively diffuse political association, I don't believe you are arguing in good faith. My answers are meant for everyone else reading, since I think it's wasted on you.

The CDU ran their election campaign on "anti-immigration" and continues to perform this rhetoric. So far the AfD poll numbers have been climbing, so ... your premise is evidently just wrong. This has been debated to death and I think for the general case, political science agrees that people will choose the original, when moderate parties pander to populist ones.

I am not familiar with the Danish situation. It's a very small country, with little land borders. Germany is large, bordering nine countries. It has a very high population density, large global economic influence, and a very unique history in regard to unification as German Reich, industrialization, revolution, fascist and communist dictatorships, war and division, and contemporary reunification. There is a very, very distinct geographical correlation with AfD voters and the former DDR territory.

Most people here are very fine with Germany's lack of nationalism and flag identity. We never really had a unified cultural or religious identity, since what's considered "Germany" has been quite radically changing in the last 300 years. (I think Rammstein's "Deutschland" does quite a good job expressing this feeling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQM1c-XCDc)

You are also suspiciously discounting the impact these populist narratives and policies have on the lives of those matching the appearance of the scapegoat targets. Overall the neonazis' demands are not "just" a "sane" immigration policy, but open calls in particular for deportation, even deportation of German citizens. And they are also calling for de facto suppression of women's rights and LGBT lives all together. Oh, and what about the newly found Russia fandom and climate change denial? What's your take here?

Should we give in there as well? And if not, what's the difference?

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by freejazz » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 2:09 PM UTC

arandomusername wrote: post #878

freejazz wrote: post #854

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You're proving that user right. Taking one minor quibble about what this other poster said, which was obviously not a full recitation of all of Trump's highly questionable conduct over the years (as opposed his less questionable conduct) isn't the slam dunk you're making it. It's more like nitpicking that goes well beyond the point and only serves to demonstrate you interest in arguing small details and not anyone's…

Nitpicking? Minor quibble? It was the major point that the user brought up. > Just a good time to remember that the same guy who thinks tariffs are a good idea is the guy who stood at a podium during Covid next to the world’s leading expert and suggested injecting bleach into Covid patients was a good idea. First sentence, right here. It's complete dishonest framing to make what Trump said seem as bad as possible. Wh…

>Nitpicking? Minor quibble? It was the major point that the user brought up.

Not really. The major point the user brought up: "I would not say anyone is ‘automatically’ questioning Trump’s character or intelligence. There is plenty of evidence he has neither." That's like reading comprehension 101.

>First sentence, right here. It's complete dishonest framing to make what Trump said seem as bad as possible. Which just goes back to the parent user's comment:

Not really.

>> Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points.

Exactly what you did to the other poster. The other poster was clearly saying there is great reason to not assume the best about Trump. Your response? Ignore that and bicker about a minor detail.