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Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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post #694

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It takes 20 to 40 plant calories to raise one calorie of beef. So slaughtering a cow kills 20 to 40 times the number of lives as eating plants directly.

Number of calories !== number of lives

Significant input costs per animal calorie means there's an order of magnitude or more insects being killed to raise the animal that you ultimately end up eating, to get the same calories you'd have gotten just eating the plant sources.

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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Harvesting crops is materially different from slaughtering animals, and calorie for calorie, plant-based nutrition involves less termination of life than getting calories from animals (if you're grouping insects and non-animal life into the "forms of life" being killed). If people don't like killing in general, or killing animals more specifically, they can live a wonderfully health(y|ier) life by going plant-based,…

What makes my wife and I fail every time is protein intake. We are both active and require a lot of protein. We drink whey protein 1x a day, have quinoa for salads and occasionally eat eggs. The problem is come dinnertime, we have few options. We can't eat: - beans: Yes, I rolled my eyes too. My wife gets bloated painfully and it's happened so many times that I've stopped preparing bean-primary dishes - beyond meat:…

I would love to provide recommendations and help with menu ideas. If you have a look in my profile you can get to my address and email me from there My partner and I have been fully plant based since 2018 and variously play rugby and train triathlons.

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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post #93

As someone who once built a large coop [1] then just bought a pre-built shed for the 2nd coop, it's definitely _not_ the _monetary_ solution. You will probably lose money overall for quite some time. I'm still probably underwater. BUT, there are definite upsides: - Chickens are very sweet animals, and are quite intelligent. You will grow to love all the silly things they do. You can pet them, they are super soft, and…

Literally nobody is mentioning the fact that to own 13 chickens there were 13 roosters that were euthanized as chicks. 50% of chickens are born male. Nobody wants all those roosters. Some dude in a factory is squeezing the chicks and looking up their buttholes to see if they are male or female, then the males are thrown into a meat grinder (literally).

Saying all of that, I would rather eat eggs from chickens that had a half-decent life than those kept in horrible conditions.

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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It's probably best not to get specific instructions. They constrain you too much. The cheapest way to build a chicken coop is to go to the local rubbish tip, or tip shop if the top doesn't let you fossick. Be a little imaginative with your design. For example, you can build them out of PVC water pipes. They are light, don't rot, wire can be pop riveted to them, and they are very easy to glue. I also turned a 80 litre…

This guy knows. If you're building a chicken coop out of materials you didn't find lying around on the ground, you're doing it wrong.

Unless you live in an area with predators and want to keep them alive. My BIL was devastated when all but one of his chickens were killed in his makeshift coop

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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> being vegetarian doesn't exclude you from the necessity of killing in order to live. You're just killing forms of life that you emphasize with less, which is very reasonable and rational but also not materially different. That’s like saying you kill chickens to eat eggs. You don’t kill a plant to eat its fruit. In fact, plants benefit from animals eating what they produce, be it oranges or tomatoes or something els…

That is pretty much just fruit. Vegetables are typically either the whole body of the plant (like carrots) or a vital part.

Fruit, seeds, grains, legumes, one can find quite a lot to eat without "killing" a plant. Admittedly though most (if not all) vegetables do involve killing a whole plant.

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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What makes my wife and I fail every time is protein intake. We are both active and require a lot of protein. We drink whey protein 1x a day, have quinoa for salads and occasionally eat eggs. The problem is come dinnertime, we have few options. We can't eat: - beans: Yes, I rolled my eyes too. My wife gets bloated painfully and it's happened so many times that I've stopped preparing bean-primary dishes - beyond meat:…

Perhaps have a look of tempeh, it’s more digestible that beans (because pre disgusted by shroom) and already comes with a slight nutty flavor but that stuff is a songe (shroom…) and get impregnated sigh any marinade very quickly. The tvp are tasteless by design, my way is to use them to mimic sliced beef recipes therefore 1) they get different flavors depending on what I cook 2) they trigger my memories and those mak…

I was going to suggest tempeh as well. It takes some practice and creativity to turn tempeh into interesting meals [1], but it makes the beans much easier to digest, and the tempeh adds extra dietary fiber, significantly increasing satiety (in my experience).

[1] I especially like grinding up the tempeh to turn it into a plant based burger substitute, and making "Perkedel Tempeh" (tempeh fritters)

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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> We’ve had a lot of PFOA/PFAS contamination and public health advise says to not eat eggs from backyard chickens Where?

Purportedly the Netherlands, but the research was badly performed. KNOWN PFAS contamination was around heavy industry, and yeah, if you live near those regions, maybe don't. Otherwise proceed with scepticism and/or some testing.

Fairly recent research claims that hobby (backyard) chickens tend to have higher PFAS contamination than factory farmed chickens because hobby chickens get the chance to eat (a lot of) rain worms whereas the factory farmed chickens only get commercial food, no live worms. I do agree that location is almost undoubtedly key to PFAS contamination rates.

Dutch source for the thing about rain worms: https://nos.nl/artikel/2539934-hoge-concentraties-pfas-via-r...

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

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post #830

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Farming changed radically after the 1950s, so pretty recently. It's pretty reasonable to believe it will. If you've been anywhere near mega livestock operations of any kind then you would know.

Why?

Well certainly antibiotics resistance (MRSA [1]) is a problem exacerbated by intense farming practices [2]. To the best of my knowledge there are two big sources of MRSA: Hospitals and livestock farming (the latter of which actually got its own acronym LA-MRSA as in livestock associated MRSA).

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to directly compare the development of bacterial antibiotics resistance with the adaptation of viruses to be able to infect other kinds of hosts. Surely these disease vectors follow different developments.

It wouldn't surprise me though if intensive animal farming [3] has the capacity to exacerbate these problems, if only based on the high concentration of animals kept together and the generally poor health of these animals (poorly functioning immune systems, which is the whole reason for the overuse of antibiotics).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylo...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming

Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?

#879
post #171

Sadly, because the soil are too polluted by PFAS, it is adviced against to eat your own eggs (by medical authorities) where I live (larger paris aera) https://www.iledefrance.ars.sante.fr/polluants-organiques-pe...

There are ways to remediate your backyard enough to make it safe, but only if you really want chickens. You can do most (all?) of the labor yourself but the cost of materials will probably dwarf any savings from the eggs - especially since you probably already have better quality eggs available locally than what we Americans are used to, which I think is the real impetus for most people rearing chickens here. The fir…

But surely this process you outline implies that the PFAS already there was deposited in the (distant) past and is no longer being deposited in any substantial quantity, otherwise the problem will just reoccur (build up over time)?

Meanwhile most indicators I've seen imply that PFAS contamination is -in some ways- getting worse, and is not only from historical sources.

Also, earthworms will mix up deeper and more shallow layers of earth and plant roots will extract PFAS from deeper layers and deposit them on or near the surface when the plants leaf matter dies off (in fact I know of several types of plants including hemp being successfully used for this exact purpose).

I'd love to find definitive proof that PFAS can be remediated on a hobby garden scale (in one's own backyard) but I'm skeptical of the success rate and longevity of the endeavor...

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