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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by dotancohen »

tim333 wrote: post #802
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #794

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Perhaps more context would be appreciated. I'm sure you can take out damning sentences from opinions of anyone who has tried to have any faith in the peace process in Palestine. It's absolutely ridiculous to try to paint Carter as some proponent for Hamas' violence. Unlike, say, Netanyahu, who actively supported the radicalism of Hamas in order to preserve a valuable enemy https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/mid…

The relevant Carter quote is "… even if Hamas does not soon take the ultimately inevitable steps of renouncing violence and recognizing Israel’s right to exist." which I think suggests he was naive in thinking they'd change and become nice guys, rather than condoning their violence.

Carter was, as many Westerners do, looking at the Middle East through Western eyes. He was projecting what people in his culture would do, instead of what people in the actual culture he was looking at do.

"One day they'll come around and realize that my culture's values are right and theirs are wrong" is actually a very racist stance, in my opinion.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by dragonwriter »

mhb wrote: post #781
klik99 wrote: post #537

I know a few people, one a good friend, who work in the Jimmy Carter Center in Atlanta - until health stopped him (and a bit afterwards) he was in there daily putting the work in. Despite if you agree with his views or methods I hope everyone can know he worked well into his 90s to leave the world a better place. I don’t believe any other president was as selfless as him. Rest in peace, he was a great man

Jimmy Carter's pioneering support for Hamas: https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2024/12/29/jimmy-carters-p...

That's not support for Hamas, its opposition to the use of election of Hamas candidates to the PA government as an excuse to avoid peace talks.

Which is just as sensible as arguing that the election in Israel of candidates of Likud should not itself be a blocker for peace talks.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by jmclnx »

bb88 wrote: post #801
jmclnx wrote: post #726

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Plus you forgot the 1978 Seabrook Protests. Most of the hate was due to where it was built, not the fact it was built. It was really NIMBY on steroids plus a poor choice of location. So even conservative people in NH hated that plant due to its location. But the press spun it as hate towards nuclear power. So that put a big black mark on the industry, maybe even more so because both Liberals and Right Wing people cam…

So where should we put nuclear reactors then? Should we put a new California nuclear reactor in downtown San Francisco or Los Angeles? If nuclear proponents are saying nuclear technology is safe, then it shouldn't matter where we put it. It's just an education issue, right? The problem is, that nobody really trusts nuclear, or more specifically nobody really trusts corporations with nuclear power. I will point out th…

Areas where there is more then a one 1 lane road for evacuations. If you have ever been there, there are only 2 ways out, go north or go south for about 10 miles in either direction on a one lane road.

In the summer the population of that area grows to hundreds of thousands. That area is by far the worse area for a plant. There are no evacuations signs there because there is only 1 way in and out.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

genman wrote: post #853
4gotunameagain wrote: post #686

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> Arabs in Palestine are descendants of colonizers and settlers enabled by the colonial powers. So the creation of a state by western colonial powers and the migration of jews from all over the world there does not make them descendants of colonizers and settlers, because they identify with some people mentioned in a two thousand year old book which says they lived there. Oh and they didn't even speak the same langua…

Their home was taken away by The Western Colonial Power - Rome. Jews are the only nation that was crushed by Rome, but survived without their land, all other such nations have perished. Restoring their homeland on their indigenous land was the only morally rightful thing to do when the descendants of Rome recaptured this territory.

I don't know what you are in need of more, history lessons or reasoning training.

Even if we ignore the fact that claims to land almost TWO THOUSAND years later are insane, even if we ignore the fact that the evidence is a two thousand year old book, claiming that modern day russian and hodgepodge jews from all over europe are descendants of the original inhabitants of the Levant is simply hilarious.

To create a national identity they even had to resurrect a dead language.

And without the UK creating the state of Israel purely as a western colony for geopolitical reasons, this would not be a discussion and so many lives would've been spared.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #761
tgma wrote: post #759

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That is just your narrative. The incident was a disasterous foreign policy and very direct and it backfired on him very quickly too (I frankly rather not further debate this on a gratitude thread out of respect for his supporters but we could go ad nauseum). You can add all the color you want to soothe your pain and paint your own hero in the story as an unmistakeable saint, meanwhile kicking every other leader down…

Wow. I didn't realize the narrative on the right had gotten this bad. Did you forget that Reagan negotiated with Terrorist during an election to keep the hostage's hostage? To literally sabotage their freedom to tank Carter? "kicking every other leader down for basic decisions they had to make for the good of their people" So, all other leaders, face difficult decisions, but Carter, he has to be held to higher standa…

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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by genman »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #874
genman wrote: post #853

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Their home was taken away by The Western Colonial Power - Rome. Jews are the only nation that was crushed by Rome, but survived without their land, all other such nations have perished. Restoring their homeland on their indigenous land was the only morally rightful thing to do when the descendants of Rome recaptured this territory.

I don't know what you are in need of more, history lessons or reasoning training. Even if we ignore the fact that claims to land almost TWO THOUSAND years later are insane, even if we ignore the fact that the evidence is a two thousand year old book, claiming that modern day russian and hodgepodge jews from all over europe are descendants of the original inhabitants of the Levant is simply hilarious. To create a nati…

You could have just written that you hate Jews. Could have been shorter. If we inherited the Rome, we also inherited its moral debts. The uniqueness of the situation of Jews doesn't invalidate our moral obligations. Brits could have claimed the Palestine for themselves - it was a Roman Christian territory after all, they chose to do the only moral thing imaginable - restoration of Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by unitol »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #718
unitol wrote: post #700

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It's a reasonable assumption that most women prefer to share female spaces with other women, regardless of how they look, and not with male intruders who have decided to disregard women's boundaries for their own pleasure while falsely identifying themselves as women.

"It's a reasonable assumption that most women prefer to share female spaces with other women, regardless of how they look" This is not a reasonable assumption based on my experience talking to women, and if it was, I don't understand how it would work in reality. Even if biological women preferred sharing the women's bathroom with trans men, rather than trans women, how would biological women know whether they were s…

> so allowing trans men into women's bathrooms basically ensures that all men can freely enter them, claiming to be trans men.

Any examples of this hypothetical situation actually happening?

If these spaces were regulated by law, and there was a realistic prospect of penalties for males who choose to impose themselves on female spaces, then this would have a significant deterrent effect. The males who say they're women (including males with a transwomen identity and your hypothetical set of males who claim to be transmen) would refrain from intruding.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by unitol »

foota wrote: post #780
unitol wrote: post #700

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It's a reasonable assumption that most women prefer to share female spaces with other women, regardless of how they look, and not with male intruders who have decided to disregard women's boundaries for their own pleasure while falsely identifying themselves as women.

Since the question here is what women would prefer, I haven't done an extensive search, but it seems at least a majority of women support allowing people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/09/28/3-public-spl... . Interestingly, men are more strongly opposed than women. I'll also leave this comment for thought. You're arguing that allowing transgender women in…

> I agree that women would not want to share the bathroom with "male intruders who have decided to disregard women's boundaries for their own pleasure while falsely identifying themselves as women.", but this is not an accurate description of transgender women.

How is it not accurate? They are male (by definition), so when they decide to impose themselves upon a female space this means they are doing so with a disregard for women's boundaries.

Based on your comment, you seem to believe that "woman" is just an identity, that any male can choose to adopt if he desires so. If that is the case, why do you believe this?

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