US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

Post by eric_cc » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 8:24 PM UTC

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You can believe what you want to believe. It works fantastic for me whether you believe it or not. I do wonder if people who have wildly different experiences than I have are living in a part of the country that, for one reason or another, Tesla FSD does not yet do as well in.

I think GP is going too far in calling you a liar, but I think for the most part your FSD praise is just kinda... unimportant and irrelevant. GP's aggressive attitude notwithstanding, I think most reasonable people will agree that FSD handles a lot of situations really well, and believe that some people have travel routes where FSD always handles things well. But ok, great, so what? If that wasn't the case, FSD would…

Post by tensor » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 8:48 PM UTC

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"Oh we tried to build it but no one bought it! So we gave up." - Mercedes before Tesla. Perhaps FSD isn't ready for city streets yet, but it's great on the highways and I'd 1000x prefer we make progress rather than settle for the status quo garbage that the legacy makers put out. Also, human drivers are the most dangerous, by far, we need to make progress to eventual phase them out.

2-ton blocks of metal that go 80mph next to me on the highway is not the place I would want people to go "fuck it let's just do it" with their new tech. Human drivers might be dangerous but adding more danger and unpredictability on top just because we can skip a few steps in the engineering process is crazy. Maybe you have a deathwish, but I definitely don't. Your choices affect other humans in traffic.

Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 8:53 PM UTC

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Pretty much. Fuck. I just watched higher ups sign off on a project I know for a fact has defects all over the place going into production despite our very explicit: don't do it ( not quite Tesla level consequences, but still resulting in real issues for real people ). The sooner we can start having people in jail for knowingly approving half-baked software, the sooner it will improve.

Should we require Professional Engineers to sign off on such projects the same way they are required to for other safety critical infrastructure (like bridges and dams)? The Professional Engineer that signed off is liable for defects in the design. (Though, of course, if the design is not followed then liability can shift back to the company that built it)

Post by brightball » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 9:04 PM UTC

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During power outages, having natural gas in your home is a huge benefit. Many in my area just experienced it with Helene. You can still cook. You can still get hot water. If you have gas logs you still have a heat source in the winter too. These trade offs are far more important to a lot of people.

Granted, that is a valid concern if power outages are more frequent in your area. I have never experienced a power outage personally, so that is nothing I ever thought of. However, I feel like with solar power and battery storage systems becoming increasingly widespread, this won't be a major concern for much longer

Post by potato3732842 » Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

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I agree it's not an endorsement but we allow chronically bad drivers on the road as long as they're legally bad and not illegally bad.

We do that for reasons of practicality: the US is built around cars. If we were to revoke the licenses of the 20% worst drivers, most of those people would be unable to get to work and end up homeless. So we accept that there are some bad drivers on the road because the alternative would be cruel. But we don't have to accept bad software drivers.