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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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manquer wrote: post #776
theshrike79 wrote: post #589

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Do you have a source for this? Google is an ad company, they have a full model of what you like and dont like at different states of your life built. What does Apple have that's even close?

Apple is also an ad company, they generate between $5-10B on ads alone a year now and more importantly that is one their fastest growing revenue segment . Add the context of declining revenue from iPhone sales. That revenue and its potential will have enormous influence on decision making . The thesis that Apple doesn’t have ads business so there is no use to collect the data is dead for 5years now

Talking about billions is disingenuous, you should be talking about percentages of revenue. Ten billion _sounds_ like a lot but really isn't.

For Google, over 80% of their revenue comes from ads.

Apple's revenue is around 380 billion, 5-10 billion in ads is in the "other" category if you draw a pie chart of it... They make 30 billion just selling iPads - their worst selling product.

Apple can lose the ad category completely and they won't even notice it. If Google's ads go away because of privacy protections, the company will die.

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jnaina wrote: post #850
Hippocrates wrote: post #601

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The AI/Cartoony person being sent as a birthday wish was super cringey, like something my boomer father would send me. I'm a fan of genmoji. That looks fun. Less a fan of generated clip art and "images for the sake of having an image here", and way, way less into this "here, I made a cornball image of you from other images of you that I have" feature. It's as lame as Animoji but as creepy as deepfakes.

Aimed at a different demographics. Peepaw and Meemaw are absolutely going to love it.

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by krrrh »

brundolf wrote: post #687
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

An interesting consequence: I started to think about how I'll be incentivized to take more pictures of useful information, and might even try setting up a Proton Mail proxy so I can use the iOS Email app and give Siri more context

I’m curious if simply running the proton mail bridge on a Mac at home would allow the native mail app feed “semantic” context across devices to iOS.

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Post by thomasahle »

kaba0 wrote: post #868
thomasahle wrote: post #746

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The generated image of two dice ( https://x.com/thomasahle/status/1800258720074490245 ) was dalle 1 level. Just randomly sprinkled eyes on the sides. I wonder why they chose to showcase that.

What eyer are you talking about? That’s two “hand-sketched” dice, isn’t it?

Did you look at the eyes/pips?

On the side with 5, they are overlapping. On the side with 4, some of them are half missing. On the side with 3, they are arranged in triangle instead of a straight line.

Not to talk about that 2 and 5 should be on opposing sides, same with 3 and 4.

It's basically like early AI being unable to generate hands, or making 6 fingers.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #563
theshrike79 wrote: post #539

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The difference is that this is on-device and private. Gmail just feeds your emails to Google's servers and they do the crunching. And in the meanwhile train their systems to be better using your content.

It changes nothing about the impressiveness (or lack thereof) of the feature. Detecting an appointment from an email doesn't even require AI. You're also over-indexing on the fact that some processing will be done on device. The rest will go to Apple's servers just the same as Google. And you will never know how much goes or doesn't.

The "AI" bit (a word they didn't mention during the keynote BTW) is the processing of a natural language user command to something the existing ML model can understand.

Most of the things shown during the keynote, can already be done with older iPhones - on device, but they need to be "talked to" like a computer, not with natural language that's not completely perfect.

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Post by ukuina »

thimabi wrote: post #228

Oh, well, many apps will have a hard time competing with “Apple Intelligence” features. Why bother downloading a third-party app if some feature you want is included by default in the OS? Better yet, no more dealing with overpriced subscriptions or programs that do not respect user privacy. Kudos to the Apple software team making useful stuff powered by machine learning and AI!

It was amusing to see the Duolingo product placement when their entire product is just a prompt in ChatGPT.

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Post by dyauspitr »

harry8 wrote: post #853
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

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"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> "I trust Apple..." I'm actually a little gobsmacked anyone on this forum can type those words without physically convulsing. The even more terrible part is I'm sure it's common. And so via network externalities the rest of us who do NOT trust any of these companies on the basis that all of them, time and again, have shown themselves to be totally untrustworthy in all possible ways, will get locked into this lunacy.…

What government needs you to have a smartphone from Apple or Google?

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Post by jomohke »

methodical wrote: post #621
highwaylights wrote: post #603

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Ironically, I feel like Apple might have lost me as a customer today. It won't matter to Apple, obviously, but so much of what they showed today I just felt was actively pushing me out of the ecosystem. I first bought some devices for myself, then those devices got handed off to family when I upgraded, and now we're at a point where we still use all of the devices we bought to date - but the arbitrary obsolescence ha…

While I mostly agree with your point of Apple being rather aggressive with forced upgrading, I don't think the device requirements for these features were based solely on the desire to push out people with older devices, but rather due to the hardware requirements for a lot of the ML/AI features being based on the Apple Silicon, at least for the Mac side of things. As to why they drew the line at the iPhone 15, perha…

Yes, it's not arbitrary at all — they're only offering it on devices with at least 8GB of memory.

The iPhone 15 Pros were the first iPhones with 8GB. All M1+ Macs/iPads have at least 8GB of ram.

LLMs are very memory hungry, so frankly I'm a little surprised they support such low memory requirements (especially knowing that the system is running other tasks, not just ML). Microsoft's Copilot+ program has a 16GB minimum.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by baby »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

I just wanted a folding iPhone
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