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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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> That said, I have fed thousands of lines of code into both of them and asked them to refactor it, and neither one of them made more than one error. All code otherwise compiled and worked first try. I would be very interested to get a more detailed scope of what you did here. Feeding thousands of lines of code into GPT4 and getting a near perfect refactor does very much NOT sound like my experience, but it seems hig…

Yes, I've observed the same phenomenon. The more detailed my prompts are, the more errors GPT tends to make. I use it as a partner to discuss implementation ideas, before I start coding. That works very well, because gpt and I usually find somethings, that I missed at a first glance. But coding with gpt or co-pilot is too disrupted for me.

> The more detailed my prompts are, the more errors GPT tends to make. I use it as a partner to discuss implementation ideas, before I start coding.

This is interesting; I do a third thing that's the exact opposite of both of you.

I generally know the architecture I want, so I just slowly spoon-feed it to GPT-4 and have it build each of the components with the right interfaces to fit together. Usually, building each component requires a few rounds of hand-holding it through various refactoring. Its first draft of code tends to be, for lack of a better description, totally lacking in any creativity or elegance --- generally bland, insipid, and mundane stuff.

But it'll gladly take refactoring directions to get it into shape, so it's still very quick to get a whole bunch of components written up. Then I just glue everything together on my own. And the whole experience is still way better than writing a bunch of boring boilerplate code by hand.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Though I agree bard isn't the best name, gemini is a worse name. Bard has connotations, but by it's self it makes one think of a person that talks well. WTF is gemini? It is a twin, but this is a singular product. Beyond that it's just generic. It doesn't tell you what it does at all.

Not with regular people. Bard is just "old" to them. Think of the syllables. Copilot. Gemini. They need to be close to the market leader on a subconscious level.

When the competition is called "ChatGPT", maybe the naming isn't as important to normal people as we think?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

Gemini as a zodiac sign: "Smart, passionate, and dynamic, Gemini is characterized by the Twins, Castor and Pollux, and is known for having two different sides they can display to the world. Expert communicators, Gemini is the chameleon of the Zodiac"

Which is pretty on the nose for an AI project. A chameleon with two different sides (good/evil?) and expert communicator

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

On logic it cannot handle the Dumb Monty Hall problem at all: https://g.co/gemini/share/33c5fb45738f

how's it do with the trivial river crossing problem? (farmer fox chicken and grain need to cross a river in a boat big enough to hold them all) ChatGPT-4 can't do it.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Bard sounds archaic, almost like an unintelligent persons name, no offense to the bards out there.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

It's a hint about how to use it if you want to circumvent the censorship.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear corr…

How do you prefer to validate if a model is actually useful for you in practice outside of solving toy problems? Are you asking these models to solve reasoning problems like this to get any benefit for yourself in your day to day use? Or do you even care if the models are useful for day to day tasks?

I asked it the same question I was asking GPT4 yesterday (to explain details of a complicated ML model quantization method, based on a screenshot image of equations from a pdf). I actually need this for work - I'm trying to design an algorithm. I felt Ultra provided a very similar quality answer to GPT4.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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post #644

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I'm sure "Bard" was primarily a Shakespeare reference (The Bard of Avon, frequently just The Bard), and I liked it too. An appropriate name for a technology that's all about language. Gemini sounds cool and sci-fi though, and maybe it's a bit easier to localize since it's just straight Latin.

To me, bard just sounds phonetically gross. Reminds me of “fart” or “beard.” It calls to mind medieval stuff: the Monte Python mud scene, Skyrim’s most annoying NPCs, plucking lutes. But Gemini? That sounds like a legendary space mission; this collective engineering push against the boundaries of human knowledge. I do not have refined tastes. My b.

> To me, bard just sounds phonetically gross. Reminds me of “fart” or “beard.”

WTF? Do people normally think about words in this way, utterly divorced from their meaning?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Bard: fat inept old guy who gets by telling stories of yore Gemini: a crypto exchange Clearly they shouldn’t be asking the 21 year old interns what to call it. Now before anyone in google gets butthurt like they usually do I doubt I could do much better but Gaia IMO would have been mint you know it starts with G is four letters and represents a nebulous deity. Took 3 seconds but hey I’m not paid to think. In fact I’m…

And it has ai in it's name.

If that's the reason, they should've gone with Moai (more AI)

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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FYI for any Googlers - On the "Sorry, Gemini advanced isn't available for you" page, clicking "Learn More" gives you a (presumably internal) SSO sign-on (links to https://support.corp.google.com/googleone?ai_premium )

My God, this page is straight from the 90s! Nostalgic.

It's so beautiful!
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