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Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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Post by dagmx »

ShamelessC wrote: post #552
dagmx wrote: post #282

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This is why people shouldn’t listen to tech YouTubers who don’t actually work in tech as engineers. They’re tech fans, not experts but act like they know the domain space enough to make strong authoritative claims since that’s what gives them an audience.

There were a number of similar comments on HN when they announced. The real lesson? The internet is a shit show.

True, but there’s a difference in seeing a random anonymous account parroting things and someone with a following pushing it.

Honestly many people here, myself too probably at points, tend to just repeat what they’ve heard elsewhere as fact. You can see it if you try and notice phrasing patterns repeating.

My real lesson is less that the internet is a shit show (it is though), and more that people like to take a very strong opinion as fact, over a more nuanced opinion that requires understanding of a topic.

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Post by MBCook »

mission_failed wrote: post #690
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #372

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Let’s be clear here: Apple not yet implementing RCS aside, the experience is horrible because SMS/MMS are horrible.

I can send the same mms from Android to Android and Apple recipients and they receive the same media. Yet sending from Apple to both the Apple users get good quality and Android Apple deliberately sends pixelated rubbish.

Apple to Apple is not MMS.

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Post by op00to »

krrrh wrote: post #744
tibbydudeza wrote: post #739

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Use WhatsApp - it works on both platforms.

The hacker spirit uses Signal. Promoting WhatsApp over the more open community-supported alternative is worse than gloating over Beeper.

What strange woman lying in a pond gave you a sword to make you Decider Of The Hacker Spirit?

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Post by op00to »

Nullabillity wrote: post #573
lolinder wrote: post #512

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There's that, but I'm not an SV person and my reaction was still "well, duh!". An app like Beeper Mini wants to be something like NewPipe for YouTube: installable only if you know how to download F-Droid, maintained by a community of fans, used only by people who understand that Google can break it at any time and it might take days to weeks for it to recover. What Beeper did instead was build a startup and sell subs…

Everyone deserves a path around vendor bullshit, not just "true hackers".

Please, no. I do not want to have to clean malware off my inlaws phones in addition to their fucked up computers.

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Post by sbarre »

nojito wrote: post #862
madeofpalk wrote: post #834

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Not even that - Because Apple controls the key exchange, Apple could also just silenty register another recipient (their own mitm) and siphon off all your messages if they wanted to. You must trust that Apple (or Whatsapp or whatever) does not do that.

This isn’t true because you will get notified that another device was added to your account.

Who do you think sends that notification?

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Post by danaris »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #848
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #707

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> Of course you can. It's sitting there on your Mac where you can use it as much as you like. For what? I own a Mac an iPhone and an iPad but iMessage and FaceTime are entirely useless to me because no one I communicate with on a regular basis uses Apple devices. Same thing with various iCloud sharing features. Not using the family sharing offers is entirely uneconomical as well. So what happens is that I gravitate t…

Can you do what people did with Windows in the noughties, install a different OS and get a refund for the OS portion of your purchase (or for the apps portion??), it sounds like you're not using it?

...Where did you get that from their post?

Unless my eyes are just completely missing it, I didn't see anywhere that they said or implied that they weren't using macOS or iOS on their Apple devices.

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Post by kaibee »

nojito wrote: post #862
madeofpalk wrote: post #834

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even that - Because Apple controls the key exchange, Apple could also just silenty register another recipient (their own mitm) and siphon off all your messages if they wanted to. You must trust that Apple (or Whatsapp or whatever) does not do that.

This isn’t true because you will get notified that another device was added to your account.

And who delivers that notification?

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Post by kstrauser »

robertoandred wrote: post #183
throw310822 wrote: post #59

Do sms/mms received from iMessage users on Android look anything in particular? Because a possible move for Google would be to reject them by default in some future version (hm hm, "security reasons"). End of "yes you're still in but you look like a cripple" and begin of "this app doesn't allow me to talk to that person, if I want to reach him I need to switch to something that supports Android".

iMessage doesn't send SMS/MMS messages.

Of course it does.

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Post by GeekyBear »

crazygringo wrote: post #410
russelg wrote: post #336

Where is the hacker spirit here? The number of Apple apologists that have crawled out to say "see? I told you so!!" is saddening. It is a bit dicey when you're charging for it, but since Mini was entirely client-side it would be feasible for a free version to exist. Apple claims iMessage is E2EE, do we have proof they aren't siphoning the messages from the client once it's been decrypted? The level of trust we have t…

> Where is the hacker spirit here? The hacker spirit is the fun of reverse engineering. The hacker spirit is about personal use. It's not expecting to be able to turn it into a business , or a popular app, that wouldn't quickly be shut down. That's just common sense. > Myself for example owns a Macbook, but an Android phone. Am I not allowed to use iMessage? I paid the toll. Of course you can. It's sitting there on y…

> It's not expecting to be able to turn it into a business, or a popular app, that wouldn't quickly be shut down. That's just common sense.

Can you even imagine the reaction if the uBlock Origin folks attempted to make the case that Youtube updating their site to prevent ad blockers from working was some sort of nefarious violation of "the hacker spirit"?

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Post by nilespotter »

Beeper would have interested me, maybe in 6 months if it had seemed like Apple was willing to live with it. I don't want to use iMessage though, I just want to use it more than SMS or RCS. I have gotten a few of my close contacts on Signal. The whole landscape is completely chaotic. All I really want is to be able to send and receive e2ee messages with everyone else who has an extremely capable computer in their pocket.
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