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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by unclejack »

benterix wrote: post #646
unclejack wrote: post #632

These are still going to be used in laptops with soldered flash chips for the SSD. Apple's laptops aren't meant to be used by people who expect to repair their laptop when the storage fails. Many people don't have access to replacement chips and services to have the flash chips found on the board replaced. It's as if their hardware is meant to be e-waste. The RAM is still not ECC. They focus so much on the shallow ma…

The point is, they don't want people to fix or upgrade their hardware, and they will fight to defend this strategy. Give me one reason why they should to it, from their perspective. If they have them glued, the equipment has shorter life and customers need to purchase a new one quicker. And since they can't replace components themselves, they have to pay exorbitant prices for 16 GB RAM or 1 TB storage that is cheaper…

This puts the dot on the i quite nicely. It's all about the sales.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by wilg »

anentropic wrote: post #747
rrrurueuururu wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For years now, Apple's biggest competitor is Apple from five years ago. One of their biggest threats is that sales flatline because people are still using their perfectly good laptops and phones from several years ago. And that's a hard problem to deal with when you advertise your products as high-end goods that will last a long time.

They have solved this though by periodically introducing incompatible macOS updates, so that eventually you can no longer install the current macOS and then after a while you won't be able to install latest version of applications and you start to feel stronger need to upgrade...

Six year OS support, plus security updates past that.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by artimaeis »

flippy_flops wrote: post #245

Am i the only one who is frustrated with the mac monitor options these days? I don't know anyone who uses a 27" desktop monitor, much less a 24". What year is it? And $5k for a 32" is insulting.

What size monitor do you believe to be most common? Anecdotally it seems the 27" monitor is finally overtaking the 24" monitors, but those seem to still be standard at more corporate companies.

I wish Apple had succeeded in getting 27" monitors to be 5k resolution across the board -- but that ship seems to have long since sailed.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by markjonsona989 »

cududa wrote: post #830
markjonsona989 wrote: post #825

I hear the complaints about incremental updates and not enough reason to upgrade. My opinion is that it doesn't need any updates as it's nearly perfect the way it is. What it needs is a 3 year release cycle instead of yearly. Less e-waste and more visible spec change.

No, people just need to learn self control. You don’t need a new laptop every year or every 2 years. My current MBP is nearly 8 years old, cost $4,500, and is finally in need of replacement. I just purchased a $4,300 M3. Why should I have to purchase a 3 year old M1

You wouldn't. You would purchase a 0 year old M3.

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Post by brailsafe »

zoogeny wrote: post #864
brailsafe wrote: post #553

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It's harder than ever to be excited to spend money on an upgrade, despite the overall machine being better than ever. RAM and SSD upgrades are comically expensive in Canada, maybe the former of which being slightly more justifiable. $500 for the ram upgrade $750 to ugrade from 512gb to 2tb, so really I'd be paying something like $1000 on just basic storage. It's kind of insulting.

Yes, totally agree, which is why I'm waffling over the upgrade. From 1TB to 2TB is $500 CAD extra . It is just so insanely out of line with the actual cost of the memory. I'm looking at Amazon NVMe SSD and a decent looking 2TB drive is in the range of $150 CAD! I don't care how high quality whatever it is they are using is ... that is ridiculous markup. And since everything is soldered nowadays it isn't practical to…

I priced out a 14" and chose the minimum options that enable 64gb, and it comes to $4974 before tax with 512gb of storage. 512 to 1TB is that aforementioned $250 extra, or the $750 extra for 2TB, bringing it to nearly six grand before tax. Going from 64gb to 128gb adds an additional $1000.

A lot of that price comes from the required upgrade of the base model cpu to the best cpu.

I'll give them some credit and say that a very mid-tier upgrade from my 16gb ram intel mbp 13" to the now baseline 18gb 14" wouldn't be excruciatingly expensive and probably a great machine, but ram is being eaten up harder and faster than ever. At minimum, as a non-ML (unemployed) software dev, the 36gb is minimum I'd expect to be practical over the next 5 years

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Post by niek_pas »

rexf wrote: post #869
daft_pink wrote: post #305

I feel very disappointed that the laptops lack decent i/o. They spend all this time talking about how advanced the GPU is, but it's a $1,600 laptop that can only power one external display or a 2,000 laptop that can only power two displays? Plus they are nerfing the desktops by only offering the all-in-ones with m2, so you can walk into a store and want to buy any other desktop now you are paying a huge premium for o…

> I feel very disappointed that the laptops lack decent i/o. They spend all this time talking about how advanced the GPU is, but it's a $1,600 laptop that can only power one external display or a 2,000 laptop that can only power two displays? yep. powering 2+ screens on a mac is not a straightforward process. for the prices Apple is charging on their "pro" machines, it should be simple to plug in 2 or even more scree…

Genuinely curious: what is your workflow that it requires more than 2 external monitors? Pro video?

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Post by dcchambers »

jdprgm wrote: post #11

I don't understand why they don't update the entire lineup whenever a new chip comes out, especially if really only swapping the chip in the macbook pro and imac here. On a separate note does anyone have any insight on how unified memory compares to vram in the context of machine learning performance? Considering an H100 with 80GB costs like $30k a maxed out macbook pro with 128gb unified memory for $5k is interestin…

My gut tells me the Macbook Air sales have been cannibalizing Macbook pro sales.

For the M1 and M2 generations, the airs released in the fall and the pros a few months later in the spring. The airs have gotten so good that many people that would have gotten the more expensive (and more lucrative) pros got airs instead.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by nabakin »

ricardobeat wrote: post #765
polishTar wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to the reduced memory bandwidth, the M3 pro also loses 2 performance cores for only 2 more efficiency cores. M2 pro: 8 performance cores + 4 efficiency cores. M3 pro: 6 performance cores + 6 efficiency cores. Not a great trade... I'm not sure the M3 pro can be considered an upgrade

The new efficiency cores are 30% faster than M2, and the performance ones 20% faster, so lets do the math: M2: 8 + 4 M3: 6*1.2 + 6*1.3 = 7.2 + 7.8 That’s nearly double the M2’s efficiency cores, a little less on the performance ones. They do say the system overall is up to 65% faster, and has lower power consumption at the same performance level.

I wouldn't trust Apple's marketing on that if it's where you got those numbers from

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Post by 55555 »

ballenf wrote: post #730
yipbub wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the comment above is describing out-out and the it pesters you to opt-back in if you opt-out.

That's not how it works. You get asked the question again on every update, regardless of what you chose the last time. So there are people who were opted-in that change their minds. My friends and family opt-in rate is <50%. And most of them are non-technical.

It honestly doesn’t matter. We’re talking about hundreds of millions of devices sending data in either case. A hundred million more provides no additional value.
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