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Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

Kranar wrote: post #824
PTOB wrote: post #780

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Tell me more!

Yeah sure, my process to learn was literally I went down to a local computer store, I bought a cheap desktop computer and 6 cheap hard drives, an HBA, a RAID controller, a bunch of cables, went back to the office and installed Ubuntu Server onto it and practiced several "skills", like how to setup automated backups using rsync, how to physically install these components, how to install mdadm for software RAID etc...…

400 TB but no ZFS, and lots of hardware and software but no support.

And not a single mention of backups.

Good luck with that.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by pjmlp »

Fnoord wrote: post #684
jjav wrote: post #544

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When Apple supports OSX for consumers, they don't exactly surface the fact that there's BSD semi-hidden in there somewhere. That's because they own the whole stack, from CPU to GUI and support it as a unit. That's the benefit of having a product where a single owner builds and supports it as a whole. My impression of Oxide is that that's the level of single source of truth they are bringing to enterprise in-house clo…

Funny how you mentioning BSD got me to thinking of Sony Playstation and Nintendo Switch. Which are proprietary and not user serviceable. A Steam Deck, Fairphone, or Framework laptop is each less proprietary and more FOSS stack, and user serviceable. Which a user may or may not want to do themselves; at the very least they can pay someone and have them manage it. Also, Apple is just the one who survived. Previously I'…

Contrary to urban myths, Nintendo Switch OS is a microkernel OS, not something based on BSD.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by pjmlp »

yencabulator wrote: post #557
jjav wrote: post #544

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When Apple supports OSX for consumers, they don't exactly surface the fact that there's BSD semi-hidden in there somewhere. That's because they own the whole stack, from CPU to GUI and support it as a unit. That's the benefit of having a product where a single owner builds and supports it as a whole. My impression of Oxide is that that's the level of single source of truth they are bringing to enterprise in-house clo…

Apple is a horrible example, with Apple when you have a problem, you often end up with an unfixable issue that Apple won't even acknowledge. You definitely don't want to taint Oxide's reputation with that association. As for why I think Helios will become customer facing: Oxide is a small startup. They have limited resources. Their computers expensive enough to be very much business critical. You'll get some support…

Apple is the survivor of 16 bit home micros integration, PC clones only happened as IBM failed to prevent Compaq's reverse engineering to take over their creation, they even tried to get hold of it afterwards via PS/2 and MCA.

As we see nowadays on tablets and laptops, most OEMs are quite keen in returning back to those days, as otherwise there is hardly any money left on PC components.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by Uptrenda »

I hate websites that aren't transparent about pricing. Like, how much is this crap going to cost? What are they offering exactly? I hate having to speak to some normie in sales just to get access to something. I swear - with how hard it is to buy from some of these companies its a wonder that they sell anything at all.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by DrScientist »

goldinfra wrote: post #822
mlindner wrote: post #671

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> One of the most obvious examples of the problem with this approach is that they're shipping previous generation servers on Day 1. One can easily buy current generation AMD servers from a number of vendors. > Their coupling approach will most likely leave them perpetually behind This is a startup that took years to get their initial hardware developed. The time between this version and the version using the next ver…

Coupling requires more integration work, including writing and testing custom firmware. Oxide will be a tiny market player for a long time, even if things go very well. Are AMD and Broadcom really going to spend as much time helping Oxide as they do helping Dell? Of course not, Oxide's order volume will be a rounding error. I'm sure they'll improve their processes over time but the lag will probably always be a non-z…

> it would be surprising if they don't run into some nasty issue that leaves their customers 6+ months behind on servers or switches at some point.

I just think your premise is wrong - most customers don't care about not having the absolute latest and greatest. Indeed they will often avoid them because

1. They are new so more likely to have as yet undiscovered issues ( hardware or drivers ).

2. If you buy top end, they sell at a premium well above their performance premium.

ie the customers who are perennially chasing the latest hardware are in the minority.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by jatins »

loeg wrote: post #692
jatins wrote: post #568

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> That's just base salary I meant 200k is just base salary at Oxide. It does not include equity

Oxide equity, like for all private companies, isn't worth anything until and if they go public; it has no cash value. For total compensation purposes, it's $0.

> Oxide equity, like for all private companies, isn't worth anything until and if they go public

Open AI just had a tender offer for employees this month. It's not public. Clearly the equity is worth something even though the company is not public.

Some companies facilitate secondary transactions for their employees.

There are ways many employee friendly companies provide early liquidity without IPO.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

leetrout wrote: post #647
endisneigh wrote: post #638

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Your examples are strange. Framework is niche. iPhones do have the pedigree. Google Fiber is barely used. Most folks do use a supported Linux distribution, they don’t roll their own.

> iPhones do have the pedigree Not in 2007-2008 which is equivalent to Oxide today.

They were not immediately adopted by enterprise customers, in fact. It took years for that.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by kawhah »

yencabulator wrote: post #769
mbakke wrote: post #766

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If everyone had this mindset we would be running our workloads on Microsoft Windows by now. GNU/Linux was also "risky" at some point.

Linux grew up in the bedrooms of teenagers. It was risky in the era of 486 and Pentiums. The environment and business criticality of a $1-2M rack-size computer is quite different.

It was totally a risky choice for companies in the 1990s and early 2000s to put all their web stuff onto Linux on commodity hardware instead of proprietary Unix or Windows servers. Many did it when their website being up was totally mission critical. Lots did it on huge server farms. It paid off very quickly but it's erasing history to suggest that it didn't require huge amounts of guts, savvy and agility to even attempt it.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by Kranar »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #871
Kranar wrote: post #824

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Yeah sure, my process to learn was literally I went down to a local computer store, I bought a cheap desktop computer and 6 cheap hard drives, an HBA, a RAID controller, a bunch of cables, went back to the office and installed Ubuntu Server onto it and practiced several "skills", like how to setup automated backups using rsync, how to physically install these components, how to install mdadm for software RAID etc...…

400 TB but no ZFS, and lots of hardware and software but no support. And not a single mention of backups. Good luck with that.

It's since grown over the past 10 years to about 2 PB of storage.

I mentioned I use rsync for backups.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by thfuran »

cdchn wrote: post #418
dewbrite wrote: post #391

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Having worked somewhere with an AWS spend of $30k/mo on _virtually nothing_, I can attest to this. I think most of it was sales demos that never got cleaned up.

Converting your OpEx to CapEx is not a remedy for sloppy bookkeeping.

But if it significantly reduces total cost, it could still be a useful bandaid.
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