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Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by thesz »

mullingitover wrote: post #93

I'm calling it now, this is going to hollow out twitter in extremely rapid fashion. I give twitter a couple of months once this launches, they'll do a Wile E Coyote where they walk off the cliff, followed by plummeting. Meta is going to grind the blue bird to a fine powder, not saying this as a Meta fan, just a casual observer. There's massive pent-up demand for an alternative, and so far Bluesky and Mastodon haven't…

This is interesting move of yours.

HN disables answers after some period of time, which appears to be a couple of weeks.

I think Twitter won't go in a couple of weeks. I also think that in case of Twitter not going anywhere in a year or so, we won't be able to call your call, due to HN comments disabled.

What do you propose to resolve that?

Regarding the core of your proposal, these who use Twitter and these who use Instagram, are different people. Twitter is primarily text based, Instagram is primarily picture and video based.

My prediction is that there will not be huge (dozens of percents) outflow from Twitter to Threads. I also think that there won't be noticeable (dozens of percents) use of Threads by Instagram users.

Instagram is already a social network of people with needs different from social network like Twitter.

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by luckystarr »

hhh wrote: post #635
luckystarr wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People on the Fediverse expected it very much. Meta already was trying to talk to the larger instances "off the record"[1]. Fediverse users are already planning to boycott any instance which federates with Meta to block any Embrace, Extend and Extinguish moves. [1] https://fosstodon.org/@kev/110592625692688836 edit: More info here: https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/fedipact-blocking-meta/

This behavior is pathetic. As long as Meta is open to federation to other instances, this can only be a good thing for the entire ecosystem.

It's not pathetic. EEE has been shown time and time again (MS, Google, etc.). Also, Meta is a company known for dubious practices and anti-competitive behavior. So why trust them?

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by raxxorraxor »

threeseed wrote: post #115
mullingitover wrote: post #93

I'm calling it now, this is going to hollow out twitter in extremely rapid fashion. I give twitter a couple of months once this launches, they'll do a Wile E Coyote where they walk off the cliff, followed by plummeting. Meta is going to grind the blue bird to a fine powder, not saying this as a Meta fan, just a casual observer. There's massive pent-up demand for an alternative, and so far Bluesky and Mastodon haven't…

Twitter is just going to end up being a cross between Truth Social and OnlyFans. Most of the Twitter Blue subscribers were those that bought into the freedom of speech aspect of Twitter 2.0. They will likely stay where they are but everyone else will slowly but surely move.

Let's hope people will move on from OnlyFans. Truth Social was a joke, but I think Twitter will still be as central as Facebook and Instagram and perhaps we never will see a platform that harbors that many users.

TikTok is another beast. It is used by almost everyone but I never met one that had meaningful interactions on it. It is the laziest form of entertainment. Successful, but lazy.

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by luckystarr »

smoldesu wrote: post #821
luckystarr wrote: post #570

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This will not benefit Mastodon/Fediverse, but it will benefit Meta because of the already available content. It's basically solving their chicken-or-egg problem for them. I'm not at all sure this will be good for the Fediverse. I already see Meta "improving" upon ActivityPub in incompatible ways, urging people to just use their app (potential quote: "you can see all of the Fediverse anyways") and in the long run (whe…

Free Software isn't about picking and choosing who gets to run your program or interact with your protocol. Federation is , but the concept of Meta using ActivityPub has nothing inherently wrong with it. If Meta has the gall to rug-pull the entire Fediverse, things will just return to the same status quo they are today. Multiple content silos with thousands of freely-federating alternative platforms. As a Mastodon us…

> Free Software isn't about picking and choosing who gets to run your program or interact with your protocol. Federation is, but the concept of Meta using ActivityPub has nothing inherently wrong with it.

Meta can ActivityPub themselves all day long, as far as I'm concerned. If I were a server operator, I wouldn't let them anywhere NEAR my users though, so no federation with them.

> If Meta has the gall to rug-pull the entire Fediverse, things will just return to the same status quo they are today.

This is very optimistic. EEE in the past didn't turn out that way. I can imagine the Fediverse being an empty husk with no (significant) life left, but that's just my fears.

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by charles_f »

The metaverse revolutionized how we work and live. It completely transformed society as we know it, with the largest adoption of any software product known to humanity. People use it for multiple hours daily, and some even started working in it. Integrated with Facebook's metacurrency based on blockchain, the economy shifted towards decentraland, where the best memes and bored apes are exchanged on the marketplace in Dollzucks. The game changer was the integration with Meta's time machine, which allows me to comment in this thread. They're even talking of adding legs to avatars!

It's only logical that meta now sets to take over Twitter, which will happen in a matter of months. Their product is superior and contains very few backdoors on its encryption.

All hail Mark!

edit: I now realize that the time transportation function might also take you to an alternate time branch, disregard my comment if it's irrelevant

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by luckystarr »

hrisng wrote: post #691
luckystarr wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People on the Fediverse expected it very much. Meta already was trying to talk to the larger instances "off the record"[1]. Fediverse users are already planning to boycott any instance which federates with Meta to block any Embrace, Extend and Extinguish moves. [1] https://fosstodon.org/@kev/110592625692688836 edit: More info here: https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/fedipact-blocking-meta/

Why? I would love for the general public to be able to connect to Fediverse. I don't love Meta per se, but let be real here, the majority of people are not gonna sign up for random instances that run by someone they don' know, to interact with a very small and niche subset of people, with a risk of it being shut down by that said person due to whatever personal circumstances they may have. It's the biggest obstacles…

The "general public" already can connect to the Fediverse, by making an account on a node in the Fediverse. See, simple. We don't need Meta for that. :)

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by modernerd »

romilshah29 wrote: post #843
modernerd wrote: post #481

“Soon, you’ll be able to follow and interact with people on other fediverse platforms, like Mastodon. They can also find you with your full username @username@threads.net.” [1] Did not expect Fediverse integration from Meta. [1] https://9to5google.com/2023/07/03/threads-instagram-app-coun...

Adam mosseri clarified about one way vs two portability on his thread https://www.threads.net/t/CuRtcYTNY3J/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA...

What did he say? I only see, ”Sorry, this page isn't available“.

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by ryukoposting »

afavour wrote: post #234
mullingitover wrote: post #93

I'm calling it now, this is going to hollow out twitter in extremely rapid fashion. I give twitter a couple of months once this launches, they'll do a Wile E Coyote where they walk off the cliff, followed by plummeting. Meta is going to grind the blue bird to a fine powder, not saying this as a Meta fan, just a casual observer. There's massive pent-up demand for an alternative, and so far Bluesky and Mastodon haven't…

I couldn't disagree more. I don't see any sign Meta understands what made Twitter great, and the fact that they're heavily branding it with Instagram, using Instagram logins etc suggests to me that they're just looking for another angle to vacuum up user data. Maybe I'm unusual but the accounts I follow on Instagram and Twitter do not have a huge amount of crossover so the fact that their onboarding process tries to…

Of course they're looking for new angles to hoover up user data, that's their entire business model.

I see the Instagram login thing purely as a development convenience- I imagine they scrambled to put this together shortly after the initial Musk-Twitter debacle. Easy to see why Meta executives could have smelled blood in the water. Why not get this thing to market faster by piggybacking off existing infrastructure?

Re: Threads, an Instagram app

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Post by afavour »

QuantumGood wrote: post #810
rsynnott wrote: post #711

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> I don't see any sign Meta understands what made Twitter great I mean, it's extremely clear that current Twitter leadership doesn't understand that either. They're not competing with Twitter at its prime (or at least its peak influence; personally I preferred it when it was a lot smaller in the early 10s) from a few years ago; they're competing with a website that just went completely dark to the public internet and…

Making a Twitter-like service profitable is difficult. To attempt it, you need (1) Network effects (2) Infrastructure competency I think Facebook can provide these faster at a higher level than anyone else who is attempting it. For profit, things that would help include: (1) No need for profitability (2) Profit synergies with an existing business Again, Facebook is a strong competitor here. They can start at #1 and i…

Facebook can provide network effects but by leveraging your existing social graph. To me it feels like there’s a risk they’ll just cannibalise social activity on their existing apps rather than create a lot of new activity.

Twitter with my Instagram friends won’t feel like Twitter.

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