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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by mrguyorama »

trey-jones wrote: post #793
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

I was talking to my daughter about sort of a tangential issue the other day. I want to say it's related because some of these "better" technologies get pushed onto public schools. Some idiot in her class had managed to completely disable (destroy?) a Smart Board by throwing some tiny object and striking it. I have to admit that I don't actually know exactly what a Smart Board is or exactly what its capabilities are,…

SmartBoards were actually awesome! The issue is that most teachers disliked them because they didn't know how to utilize them, didn't want to learn something new (a lot of teachers are like 50 years old) and basically had the old man shouting at clouds "damn these newfangled computery thingies", or genuinely had no good use for them: My mom was a French teacher at the time, and being able to get pen input to her laptop from a whiteboard wasn't exactly a useful tool for her.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by throw9away6 »

shard wrote: post #384
throw9away6 wrote: post #268

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Yeah but unit sold doesn’t matter much when apples units sell for 700 and android ones for 150

It matters when, in a world with only Apple, most of the world would still be using feature phones.

Might be true for world progress but for company profit and market share… well results speak for themselves

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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ravst3s wrote: post #176
veidr wrote: post #101

I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…

Although these devices will be compared to each other ceaselessly, I think they're targeting two distinct markets. Apple believes that Vision Pro is the future of personal computing. Meta keeps marketing the Quest as social-connected VR gaming device. The former market is far larger and anything that displaces the PC will be transcendental. Although Meta will sell more units in the short-term due to Apple's pricing,…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by mrguyorama »

tsimionescu wrote: post #478
m_mueller wrote: post #421

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I think it's still a couple of years out, but what about a little thought experiment: Let's say you had a pair of normal looking glasses that do everything that Vision Pro is doing now [1] and cost, say, 1500 USD. This would IMO be a no-brainer, as you can then augment any space and activity you want with having views into the digital world - for work, for hobbies, you name it. That would IMO be a mass market device…

What makes you think it's possible, especially in just a couple of years, to have a laptop powerful enough to drive two 4k+ screens + cameras at the same time reduced to the weight and form factor of a pair of glasses? Phones, laptops, and tablets have all been fighting on weight vs compute power for years, and improvements are incremental year to year. I don't see any reason to imagine it's possible to reduce the si…

Everyone saying "just wait until this has been miniturized and made cheaper" as if Moores law wasn't already dead and buried and we've been burning billions chasing 1-2% per generation for several generations.

There's one more doubling of computing power per square centimeter of die, MAXIMUM.

Otherwise GPU prices wouldn't still be climbing.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by HDThoreaun »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #640
kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

FB should absolutely be in panic mode. They bet everything on VR because they wanted to own an entire ecosystem and not be reliant on Google/Apple. No matter how good Oculus is, Apple will be the VR experience everyone will want to have. Apple will sell it vastly better and make it far more desirable than anything Meta can manage. If I have to strap on an invasive device to my face, what company am I going to trust m…

There is no reason to be worried about Apple monopolizing the market. They've never been interested in anything but the luxury segment, and meta is going the other direction. If anything this should help meta by growing mind share of VR/AR products. A $3,500 product is immediately off the table for probably 99% of people.

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Post by mrguyorama »

adverbly wrote: post #699
danmur wrote: post #697

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Feels a bit like 3d movies. The producers can practically taste a fresh new market, just have to get the consumers stampeding. I don't think there's been the Avatar equivalent yet, and though it might take a bit longer, I think there will still be a tipping point where enough people realise it's garbage and Zuckerberg is thrown into a long dark well forever. Followed by the peoples' tim cook right to the stomach. Sli…

Feels a lot like 3D movies . Don't think immersion provides the value or demands the purchasing price that people think it does. I mean, people still play dwarf fortress for god's sake. Look at how popular 8-bit things are. Animated movies, games, sawtooth waveform music. At a certain point, the real value of realism is in being able to fake it. Which is a little bit of a scary thing I guess when the wrong actors use…

CoD isn't one of the most popular games because it accurately recreates the experience of being in a massive world war

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Post by pzo »

golergka wrote: post #659
pzo wrote: post #441

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The only things missing for Pro users (especially Devs) are tools - ipad is useless for Software Dev as main machine. They can't force other companies to port Intellij or VSCode to iOS/iPadOS but you would expect they provided Xcode to iPad by now. Even if IDE is there then how about Python and Nodejs modules in such restricted environment. I Hope Meta will switch to Linus and Valve will stick with Linux where you ca…

You connect it to a MacBook and use IDE with a physical keyboard, while keeping browser windows with Jira and Slack open on the sides.

Sure but this looses appeal for me. I still need macbook nearby and both devices need to be charged. If I'm in plane i dont want to remove my laptop from hand luggage or draining both batteries.

This is just slightly better than someone connecting ipad to external monitor and logging with remote desktop to cloud computer and pretending ipad is good for software development.

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Post by mrguyorama »

dougmwne wrote: post #745
automatic6131 wrote: post #524

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>Imagine there’s nothing to put on. The computer doctor sprinkles some magic computer dust over you 7 minutes after you are born and you get Apple Vision++++ levels of ability, all of the time. Everything in the world becomes a potential UI. Every action becomes an input. Every surface a display. I am begging you to consider how this is an awful future

How so? I’m serious. Nearly every person on the planet has a phone in their pocket. People use these screens for hours a day. Companies and governments track everything you do. Whatever world you are afraid of is already here.

It can get worse. The entire point of half of the management of Meta and Google is directly to make it worse.

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Post by mrguyorama »

nologic01 wrote: post #443
askafriend wrote: post #424

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Why can't more immersive entertainment be an exciting goal and vision? That alone is amazing. To have an entire movie theater in any room in your house or in an airplane. Or gaming.

Personally I love the immersive feeling, at least for some experiences. IMAX movies are a level up from normal cinema, which is a level up from TV. I would think though that if that is the main target use you don't need to strap a computer on your head.

Crucially, I don't want the hassle of a headset to play something like Civ. """immersion""" doesn't add anything to that experience, and is actually a massive distraction

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #741
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #605

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And he was right. Still going to the market myself for the veggies.

I wonder how instacart became a 12 billion dollar company even though you go to the market for 'the veggies'.

I guess many people make do with mountain dew and pringles.
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