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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 10:43 PM UTC

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by hintymad » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 10:45 PM UTC

Convolutional wrote: post #681

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

I can get why people blamed the SF politics but not why people blamed the homeless. Both in my experience and by statistics, homeless are not particularly aggressive or violent. It's unfortunately enough that they became homeless, and violent or aggressive people wouldn't stay homeless for long.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by dbfx » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 10:56 PM UTC

ikiris wrote: post #775

palijer wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this[...] >I had to read scores of tech bros [...] Did you though? I can't recommend enough cutting out reading people's comments that you don't want to read. If other people's comments stress you out and make you angry, there are typically actions you can take to expose yourself less to them.

Yeah, ignoring the problem does a lot to make it go away for you . It doesn't help to make it stop being a problem though. This is basically the definition of privilege.

You're not solving anything by reading comments you dislike either, what's your point.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by phone8675309 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 11:15 PM UTC

spacemadness wrote: post #155

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

Is HN in the twitterverse? Because I sat back and watched people do the same thing here.

It was gross to watch too, and the backpedaling from some now is sad.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by phone8675309 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 11:27 PM UTC

SaintSeiya wrote: post #744

And everyone (especially here) blaming the homeless and mentally ill people abandoned by the system. The homeless-phobia of white collar individuals is the problem.

A lot of that homeless-phobia is the fact that most white collar individuals are closer to living paycheck to paycheck than they're willing to let on. They're afraid of the homeless and see themselves distinct from them because "those lazy bums lost their jobs" and "I have to keep working so I don't end up like them". It's classic class warfare (fomented from the top) as a way for those at the top to end up with obedient workers who do not want to rock the boat for fear of the consequences.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by acchow » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 11:29 PM UTC

jakeinspace wrote: post #803

I haven’t been to SF in 10+ years, but I grew up in a (more) dangerous American city. I’m curious how much of the panic over public safety in the Bay Area is massively skewed by upper middle class immigrants (from safer suburban America, or from other countries) getting their first taste of American urban life. I don’t want to sound too dismissive, American cities are really dangerous and impoverished compared to wha…

SF also attracts plenty of educated immigrants from other countries, many of which have safer cities (think Canada, Europe, Australia, etc)

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by rnk » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 11:29 PM UTC

briantakita wrote: post #705

Convolutional wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

I'm personally not into incarcerating mass amounts of people, as it only centralizes a prison industrial complex. Rather, one glaring issue is dangerous drugs showing up on our streets & the conditions that lead to this usage. In the comment you linked to, I noted Kensington Ave in Philadelphia, where there are videos of many people on hard drugs stooped over. Many people, who would otherwise have happier lives are n…

How does neoliberalism cause people to get addicted to drugs?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by acchow » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 11:30 PM UTC

zenkat wrote: post #590

dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I've lived in SF for almost 30 years. I agree 100%. Sure, there's a lot more sad/ugly homelessness in the post-covid era. The shantytowns out by Candlestick are depressing. The Tenderloin continues to be a mess. But do I feel less safe? Absolutely not! The neighborhoods (where most people live) are just fine. I regularly walk home from the bars at midnight without a care. It's simply not a problem. Compare back to th…

One of the reasons it feels unsafe to people is the trash scattered across the streets and sidewalks, the rundown condition of those same streets and sidewalks, and just generally rundown feel of many buildings. It's a look that reminds people of neglected neighborhoods of the city they moved here from.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by nier » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 11:52 PM UTC

Is it common for police to release so much personal information on a suspect?

The linked article contains the full name, age, and city of residency.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by maratbn » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 11:53 PM UTC

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

The emotional narrative that was initially gravitated toward is in fact correct.

Had there not been the entrenched environment of lawlessness in SF the perpetrator would not have even attempted his attack. And had the victim not been a prominent person the SF police would not have bothered to keep looking.

The only mistake the murderer made here is he underestimated the public outcry that forced the police and the DA to keep investigating in fear of theirs and the city's reputation.