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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by knighthack »

dang wrote: post #831
honkdaddy wrote: post #397

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I don't think it's against the rules at all; we had a thread a couple weeks ago which ended up being mostly in German. We native speakers enjoy the privilege of reading English nearly every where we go online, it should be no skin off our back to pop open Google Translate every once in a while.

An occasional comment in another language is fine but HN is an English-language site, so people shouldn't be having entire conversations in other languages. I wrote a bit about this the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32131878

As a speaker of multiple languages, I disagree. There's no possibility of HN turning into a non-English language site just because a few threads are not in English; HN will always be first and foremost an English language site (and it's too long set in English for it to be anything but), and it's actually quite nice to be reminded of the existence of other conversations by other language speakers rather than only English. I and many others may not be able to participate so directly in them, but there's always Google Translate.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by _-david-_ »

FpUser wrote: post #837
_-david-_ wrote: post #801

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>Replying here since reply to your last post is not available. Typically when that happens I have to click the time posted on a post and then I have the option to reply. Not sure what causes that. >I prefer the world "ruled" by few major entities / blocks. No need to be either US or China alone. I don't think that is possible. Do you have any historical examples where this has happened? Please don't bring up a time w…

>"The US is better for the world and the people under its control than China" Once again you are pushing a choice that should not be there in a first place. I do not want to choose between either. Period. If you let any country run free and control the others it will devolve to a dictator. So I prefer to have the US, Europe, China, BRICS and whatever else is coming.

I will ask you again:

Do you have any historical examples where this has happened? Please don't bring up a time when there were multiple major powers but they were so far away they couldn't reach the other, assuming they even knew the other existed.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by atwood22 »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #861
atwood22 wrote: post #649

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Benefiting from cooperation doesn’t mean something is or is not zero sum. Take war for example. I can team up with others to form an army and conqueror distant lands. By cooperating, everyone in the army benefits more than they could individually, but the source of those benefits comes from the zero-sum expense of others. The only source (I can think of) of positive sum benefits is innovation. I can, for example, tak…

Model war as hostility between nations or fractions. The fact that this fraction can be internally consistent does not mean that war represents cooperation.

I feel like if you need to redefine cooperation then your argument is a bit of a stretch.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by SkyMarshal »

theplumber wrote: post #865
SkyMarshal wrote: post #827

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> You are a "party" supporter How do you mean exactly? I'm not sure how you can draw that conclusion from what I said. Politically I'm an independent, there's no real home for me any US political party.

You support the U.S government rather than specific policies. That makes you a party supporter on the international stage. In this particular case you support U.S oversight over personal data rather than personal privacy(i.e banning data harvesting). It's like saying it's fine for the Democrats to harvest personal data because they have a better track record than the republicans and after all "you" are democrat so be…

Oh, to clarify, I don’t support the US government per se, but any constitutional democracy with limitations on power, checks and balances, etc. Also in the great hierarchy of things I absolutely support personal privacy over any government and/or corporate control of its citizens’ data. Banning of data harvesting, or at least the right to opt out, right to encryption, self-sovereign identity, etc. But I also believe it’s far more likely to actually achieve that in a democracy than under a totalitarian government.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by yucky »

Clubber wrote: post #870
yucky wrote: post #844

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>You are thinking federalism vs anti-federalism. Nope. At least not exclusively. The party's change over the years but we have essentially always had one party pushing for more direct democracy, and one party pulling against. A rose by any other name is still rose, but the philosophical idea of Republic government vs Democrat government is always there. And it's the key difference in the two parties. >I don't see any…

>The entire State of California is constantly riddled with ballot propositions Ya, I was thinking federally only. California is its own animal and they do put a lot of things to vote, so you certainly are right with this example. >Federally, I can't go a week without reading about yet another proposal to eliminate the Electoral College and use a popular vote for President. That's just people complaining when their ca…

That's not true either though. I can't even count how many Democrats have publicly supported the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact and most blue states have officially passes legislation signing on to it. https://ballotpedia.org/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Com...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Clubber »

yucky wrote: post #845
dragonwriter wrote: post #828

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> The names of the parties Republican & Democrat aren't just random words, they represent the philosophical differences in where the bulk of the power in government should rest No, they don't. Also, the two original parties were the Democratic-Republican Party of Jefferson, Madison, et al. , and the Federalist Party of Hamilton, Adams, etc al. Both, BTW, favored what is, I modern terms, a democratic republic and a re…

Your post has the tone of disagreeing with what I said, yet never actually does. The names of the parties change over the years, and the ideologies shift. But we have essentially always had one major party pushing to put more power directly into the hands of voters and another major party wanting to conserve the power in the established governmental frameworks. The two current parties are no different in that regard.…

My understanding is that the Democrats want to leverage a strong federal government to various aims (welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, regulation, etc) while the Republicans want a smaller federal government and give the power to the states. This divide is about power of the federal government vs power of the states, or the Jeffersonian / Hamiltonian divide.

You've shown examples of where the Democrats want more direct democracy, so there's that too. I don't know if this is a recent phenomenon or not. I've never known the Ds to make much about it either way until you mentioned it.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Clubber »

yucky wrote: post #875
Clubber wrote: post #870

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>The entire State of California is constantly riddled with ballot propositions Ya, I was thinking federally only. California is its own animal and they do put a lot of things to vote, so you certainly are right with this example. >Federally, I can't go a week without reading about yet another proposal to eliminate the Electoral College and use a popular vote for President. That's just people complaining when their ca…

That's not true either though. I can't even count how many Democrats have publicly supported the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact and most blue states have officially passes legislation signing on to it. https://ballotpedia.org/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Com...

Wow. Thanks for enlightening me. I hope this happens, I don't care for the use of superdelegates to the benefit of the party over the people's will.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by theplumber »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #874
theplumber wrote: post #865

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You support the U.S government rather than specific policies. That makes you a party supporter on the international stage. In this particular case you support U.S oversight over personal data rather than personal privacy(i.e banning data harvesting). It's like saying it's fine for the Democrats to harvest personal data because they have a better track record than the republicans and after all "you" are democrat so be…

Oh, to clarify, I don’t support the US government per se, but any constitutional democracy with limitations on power, checks and balances, etc. Also in the great hierarchy of things I absolutely support personal privacy over any government and/or corporate control of its citizens’ data. Banning of data harvesting, or at least the right to opt out, right to encryption, self-sovereign identity, etc. But I also believe…

>> But I also believe it’s far more likely to actually achieve that in a democracy than under a totalitarian government.

Yeah but instead to ask for a ban on data harvesting "you" complain only about China avoiding the elephant in the room. As it's said: Lead by example!

Let's ban this data harvesting and make this a discussion about individual rights not China social app rise or U.S domination(though the meta apps). That's why I said you are playing "party" politics. Yeah China is bad but why should I choose the lesser evil instead to do the right thing?

I really hoped that China being a rough actor could actually bring something good to the whole world as we have to reevaluate our trust model: Why should I trust a foreign company, a local company, my gov or a foreign gov to harvest all this personal data. Why do they need all this data and they use it?

I think the EU digital market act and GDPR is a step in the right direction not selectively banning certain apps that do not align with the interests of a small government or an over reaching gov such the U.S. We have to fight for our rights not the exclusive rights of super governments to invade our privacy.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by [deleted] »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #869
coliveira wrote: post #813

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> Do you admit 50% of people in Brazil make median income or more? You're pretending to not understand what I said. The figure for median income of 8K is very different from what most people make in Brazil, because a lot of people will make less than that, and a lot make more than that. So, the median has little value, because there is just a small group that makes close to that figure compared to the other groups th…

>You're pretending to not understand what I said. The figure for median income of 8K is very different from what most people make in Brazil, because a lot of people will make less than that, and a lot make more than that I see you've moved from "hardly any" to "a lot". Nice goal post move. I bet if you look at the actual data enough you might get to what the data shows. The majority of people, for every country for w…

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by jmfayard »

Clubber wrote: post #877
yucky wrote: post #875

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That's not true either though. I can't even count how many Democrats have publicly supported the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact and most blue states have officially passes legislation signing on to it. https://ballotpedia.org/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Com...

Wow. Thanks for enlightening me. I hope this happens, I don't care for the use of superdelegates to the benefit of the party over the people's will.

It will happen the day after Kamala Harris (or another democrat) wins the presidential election despite loosing the popular vote.

Most GOP states will then instantly forget their principled support for the electoral college and join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to kill it.

We know this because in 2000 the George W. Bush team thought it was (contrary to what happened) likely to win the popular vote but loose in the electoral college, and had prepared a legal fight against this scenario.

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