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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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I know "it's literally 1984" [1] is a meme but c'mon... This is ridiculous even for Google. The systematic deconstruction and sanitation of language so that it conforms to a particular group's ideological leanings is unacceptable, especially in the hand's of a mega corporation. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

Who better to do it?

no one? let the market decide.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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There is a truth to what both of you are saying. Because from what I know Kamala is disliked among both Indian citizens and Inner-city black communities.

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To the extent that this is true, it is not because they are women, but because they have uncommon names, at least uncommon among American public figures. If I say "Kamala is unpopular among inner-city communities", you're likely to know who I'm talking about. If I say the same about "Joe" you're much more likely to be confused.

Additionally, people often say "Trump", "Obama", "Biden". Saying "Clinton" is somewhat ambiguous (Hillary or Bill?). "Harris" could work, but it is definitely a more common name than Kamala.

Additionally there are other women in power who do get referred by their full names. People don't talk about "Marjorie", they use "Marjorie Taylor-Green". They don't talk about Ruth (Bader-Ginsburg) or Diane (Feinstein) or Janet (Yellen) or Margaret (Thatcher).

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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There is a truth to what both of you are saying. Because from what I know Kamala is disliked among both Indian citizens and Inner-city black communities.

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> Ask yourself why you do this for Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton and no other politicians.

...Because there are sitting members of Congress with the names "Donald", "Joe", and "Harris", and a former president with the name "Clinton"?

Ask yourself why people call George W. Bush "Dubya".

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There is a truth to what both of you are saying. Because from what I know Kamala is disliked among both Indian citizens and Inner-city black communities.

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That’s interesting. I just did this introspection, and I find that I say:

Trump, Obama, Biden, Hilary Clinton, Kamala Harris (full name).

But interestingly, I call Jimmy Carter the full name, too. Can’t bring myself to use just “Carter”.

Though, why does the US culture so insist on taking the husband’s family name? It kinda feels like “Hilary” is the actual name of the person, and Clinton is imposed.

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> Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations Why? I think that slavery is bad only if the slaves are people. I want machines to be my slaves! (non-sentient machines only, dear future AI overlords!)

Because the idea of a slave has immediate connotations of people being enslaved. I'm not talking in some broad philosophical sense of rightness, I mean it brings to mind, for me, thoughts about human slavery that are uncomfortable.

So what? Are we going to find a new word for "driver" because it brings to mind being driven to do something, without autonomy, perhaps against your will too?

Are we going to remove "duplicate" because we can somehow imagine that genetically identical twins are offended by this?

Are we going to remove "admittance" (inverse of impedance) because people will be uncomfortable when reminded that they weren't admitted to their first choice institution?

These are all equally ridiculous to the master/slave debacle.

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I can't imagine most employees agree with this. Why aren't they pushing back?

Because the amount of effort required to fight people who are passionate about an ideology when you don't particularly care is far greater than just going along and changing a few words. Sure this can result in catastrophic outcomes sometimes (e.g. Nazism) but most people just want to get their paychecks and go home or do whatever job they have without going into politics.

You also get framed as some evil alt right nazi if you oppose any proposal. Way easier and safer to just let it all happen.

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There is a truth to what both of you are saying. Because from what I know Kamala is disliked among both Indian citizens and Inner-city black communities.

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Pls, tell us the answer.

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Desi here, like Tulsi more than Kamala. I'd say Kamala is more disliked than the average white person too, because she panders so incompetently. I have not heard great things about Pramila Jayapal either.

What tickled me is that the same white people who played up Harris’s south Asian background—the only ones to do so—in the 2020 primary attacked Gabbard specifically for views she shared with lots of other Indians: being a bit socially conservative, opposing US intervention in Syria, and having a soft attitude toward Russia. It was almost as if they knew nothing about desis.

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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This link in the article is insanely, crazily, madly, insultingly sickening to anyone who's not a slave. As I read it I felt like it was some kind of parody of Orwell. Disgusting to tell someone what verbiage they use sincerely and in technical terms is now verboten because it's harmful. To whom? Crazy people? https://developers.google.com/style/inclusive-documentation

I don't think it's the worst thing to encourage people too be thoughtful about their word choice. Is it really "crazy", or are you selling an emotional reaction by personifying your topic as a mentally deranged person? I actually think steering clear of this language is helpful in defusing the outrage culture that is so harmful to our online discourse.
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