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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jjulius »

throwaway_r211 wrote: post #781
jjulius wrote: post #645

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And maybe, ya know, Spotify's reasoning before we assume that all of these removals are Young's fault. Edit: Oh look, it's not just because Young made a stink about COVID shit, imagine that... >Rogan went on Instagram Saturday to discuss the content of the old episodes, addressing two videos on social media of him saying a racial slur and another where he described a Black neighborhood as being similar to the Planet…

Why do they need to remove the whole episodes though? Can't they just put a voice over through that part of the show? "beep.. beep.. Spotify has had to interrupt this podcast as the next few moments contain words and ideas we deem to impure for our listeners to hear.. beep beep.." and that's why you shouldn't do DMT after eating a burrito.

The answer to that can be found in a statement that Spotify's CEO made during a company town hall earlier this week[1]...

>"A publisher has editorial control over a creator’s content — they can take action on the content before it’s even published,” he says, like editing episodes, removing guests, or preventing one from publishing at all. Ek noted that Spotify does have editorial control over the properties it owns outright, like The Ringer and Gimlet, but emphasized the distinction between those studios and Rogan. “Even though JRE is an exclusive, it is licensed content. It is important to note that we do not have creative control over Joe Rogan’s content. We don’t approve his guests in advance, and just like any other creator, we get his content when he publishes, and then we review it, and if it violates our policies, we take the appropriate enforcement actions.”

So contractually speaking, they can't edit the content, essentially making it all-or-nothing when it comes to an episode. If Rogan feels strongly enough about having an episode put back up but with the kind of edit you suggested, then the onus to do so is on him, not Spotify. That's the deal that Rogan signed.

[1]https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/3/22915456/spotify-ceo-joe-r...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by myko »

voisin wrote: post #193
mrobins wrote: post #178

One of the ironic things here is that it’s pitted Spotify’s brand as a music company against their brand as a podcast company. For people originally drawn to Spotify as a music service the departure of even a few icons all of a sudden makes Apple Music very attractive.

I switched from Spotify to Apple Music fairly recently and I am still shocked on the daily how poorly built Apple Music is. In the several years I subscribed to Spotify I never had issues of content not loading or choppiness in the playback, but with Apple Music it is nearly every day. The only thing Apple Music has going for it over Spotify (in my opinion) is that the recommendations are easily 10x better for discov…

YouTube music is by far the best about recommendations IME. Shame about the app and smart device integration, though - often telling a speaker to play music on the TV will just have audio and not video, for example.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by choward »

FabHK wrote: post #731

The Streisand effect is strong. I've never had the desire to listen to this Joe Rogan guy, but now I do want to get hold of some of these episodes (Russell Peters, the comedian? Dan Savage? maybe a random smattering of the others...)

Ironically, Barbra Streisand pulled her content from Spotify.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by mola »

steelstraw wrote: post #751
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

You're getting caught in the weeds and missing what's actually happening. It's not just about Spotify and Joe Rogan. If Spotify dropped Rogan and he goes elsewhere, people will still be trying to silence him. If Rogan is silenced, the mob isn't going to suddenly drop their pitchforks and go home. The corporate media isn't going to stop attacking independent media. This is a larger cultural question and will determine…

You discount the damage trolls like Rogan et al did to the tolerance needed to make free speech a possibility.

We have these media trolls just spewing provocative nonsense, finding any open wound in our discourse and throw salt on it so they can have their lols, dollars, and influence. How can you be surprise when free speech is finding it's boundaries.

This is not even a partisan thing, I do believe exploitative media that feeds on strife is very good business and thus it finds its audience, whether it's left or right. Catering to the different psychologies and fears while maximizing profits.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by guilhas »

Tehchops wrote: post #703

ITT: People confusing "free speech" with what a corporate entity does with it's private platform.

People confuse what a corporate entity decides to do, with what they are forced to do

Pressured by small mobs, billionaire's funded groups, political actors...

This is just people reacting and saying what they're doing is probably wrong and goes against their customers interests

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Post by jjulius »

rez9x wrote: post #717
kryogen1c wrote: post #705

this looks alarmingly like a destruction of wrongthink. comedians, musicians, joes friends. this isnt just the rambling conspiracies of alex jones or covid skepticism with non-consensus doctors. rather than debate the meaning of IP, free markets, or the first amendment, we should he focusing on us - the people. our communites. why is it that companies think its advantageous to silence people like this? it must be fol…

Looking through the deleted episodes, most of them aren't even the scientists and pundits in opposition to globalist narratives. They're comedians, actors, and musicians. I am clearly out of the loop. Why would Spotify remove episodes with Kevin Smith and Brian Posehn? I love both of these comedians/writers, but they're largely in-line with Spotify's neoliberal viewpoints, are they not?

Did we all miss the part where Rogan talked about the different racially-related comments he made on these episodes earlier today? Doesn't matter who the guest is, an N-bomb can be dropped at any time.

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Post by choward »

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Cool, so are you for or against censorship? And I don't know about you but I like listening to people I disagree with. I don't like living in an echo chamber and don't want to send "conspiracy theorists" to a different echo chamber.

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Post by choward »

mrobins wrote: post #137
umvi wrote: post #45

So we've decided as a society that any opinion that doesn't conform to the majority needs to be silenced? Scary.

Spotify’s purchase of JRE turns them into his publisher/sponsor. When consumers and musicians cut ties they’re speaking with their $$ and saying they don’t want to support his content. That’s not the same as silencing or censoring him. There are countless open platforms he can speak his mind on.

Is scary how many people think like you. The Whitehouse is constantly pushing for censorship across all tech companies and platforms. AWS even cancelled an entire platform, parlor. Sure there are platforms to move to now but we're headed down a path where there won't be and people like you will be to blame.

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Post by newswasboring »

wreninspring wrote: post #789
rez9x wrote: post #717

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking through the deleted episodes, most of them aren't even the scientists and pundits in opposition to globalist narratives. They're comedians, actors, and musicians. I am clearly out of the loop. Why would Spotify remove episodes with Kevin Smith and Brian Posehn? I love both of these comedians/writers, but they're largely in-line with Spotify's neoliberal viewpoints, are they not?

Idk what everyone here is talking about Joe said on insta he removed the episodes himself because he said the Nword in them

He said the nword in 70 episodes?
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