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Post by fartcannon »

nneonneo wrote: post #862
fartcannon wrote: post #844

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Are the current rulers of China related to the Qing dynasty?

If you're intending to imply that the British didn't need to hand over Hong Kong because China changed rulers, I'm afraid that's not really how the law works. And, in any case, the negotiation of 1984 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration ) between Britain and the PRC set up Hong Kong to become a PRC territory in 1997.

And I have a piece of paper that says I own part of the moon.

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Post by lucb1e »

freemint wrote: post #212
oytis wrote: post #154

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At quick glance their page does have a login button, which you can't implement on a static site. It also has social network buttons. These are probably all useful features for them and their audience

Opt-In Social Media buttons exist.

Indeed, though that's extra work. One can also just send people to the social media site when they click on the site's button, afaik they all have dedicated pages for sharing content (they want you to share stuff on their platform). Don't need to import their javascript and run it on every visitor's system just to have links to their sites.

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Post by trhway »

mcguire wrote: post #861
trhway wrote: post #838

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> Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. I don't think so. Just look at what Americans buy. Money talks. Lip service doesn't count. >on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. the frog just doesn't notice the boiling. For example how discussing Chinese origin of covid got branded as racist in the public mentality - i think that branding is a grea…

Discussing the Chinese origin of COVID got branded because racists were using it as an excuse to attack Asians in America, including those who weren't of Chinese descent or whose families had immigrated many decades ago. Yes, if you accuse the waitress at a Chinese restaurant of being responsible for COVID, you are racist.

911 also was used as pretext to attack Muslims/MidEasterners in America, yet discussing Afghanistan/Saudi/Al-Qaeda/Islamic extremism origins of the attack didn't get branded as racist.

The firm association in the public mind between the attacks and origins, as your comment for example demonstrates, is the part of that great PR success by China.

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Post by dirtyid »

throw10920 wrote: post #657
dirtyid wrote: post #502

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At the end of the day, it's a stretch to assume the students did anything other than wield their rights to free speech on an American (or other western) campus. Anti CCP activities, on campus or elsewhere in west makes it way through PRC media bubbles with of millions of eyeballs willing to do the dirty work, frequently within PRC soil. All it takes is for a post to trend. Freedom of speech in west =/= freedom from c…

> it's a stretch to assume the students did anything other No, because at least one (edit: two!) incidents like this has already repeatedly happened elsewhere. Chinese students sabotaged a panel at Brandeis University about Uyghurs ("Viewers interrupted a Harvard-educated lawyer as she tried to describe her brother’s plight in a concentration camp, scrawling “bullshit” and “fake news” over his face on the screen and…

Harassment on US soil, sure. That's under US perview and should be addressed by relevant US instruments. But freedom from consequences in a foreign jurisdiction? Besides being legally wrong, that's peak American exceptionalism. CCP is allowed to take anti-freespeech position on PRC soil, even triggered by incidents on foreign soil, that's PRC law (and HK NSL). They're not bound by US free speech, by design. PRC cancel culture involves flesh search and generating enough attention to warrant government action. Fixating on US definitions doesn't magically absolve the fact that there are consequences occurring on PRC soil according to PRC rules outside of US/host country purview.

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Post by everybodyknows »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #827
plandis wrote: post #797

I’ve had the pleasure of working with and getting to know several Chinese nationals and nearly all of them were hesitant to take about China when discussions at bars would turn to world politics. I wonder if this is how your average American would have felt at the height of McCarthyism? I hope one day Chinese people feel more free to speak their minds about their government.

This is how 40-50% of America feels now , btw. Many of us are silent because we know that any view right of the orthodoxy can lead to negative social and career repercussions.

And what is "the orthodoxy" in say Dallas, or Cheyenne?

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Post by apkales »

vaxman wrote: post #634
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

What is the end game in allowing PROC nationals into American universities? Even without a kinetic confrontation, current trends indicate PROC will dominate the world economy, ocean navigation, the African and part of South American continents, near Earth orbit and the Moon because of technology they've already stolen, downloaded, misappropriated and bought from the West --and they're known to be creating bioweapons…

You want lifelong warrantless total surveillance for people you force citizenship upon because their family's political affiliation, which is something they don't choose? I'm sorry but how is it any better than CCP?

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Post by nneonneo »

kmonsen wrote: post #865
nneonneo wrote: post #824

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I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

Texas does not have a special one country, two systems status and Hong Kong does until 2047. The fact that the communist party completely ignores this fact does not make it go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I was trying to make my comment specifically about secession - debunking the notion that Hong Kong is not part of China. The HK Basic Law, the same document that guarantees the "One country, two systems" approach, starts with the sentence "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is an inalienable part of the People's Republic of China."

I agree that the mainland government acted rashly. The forced implementation of the national security law definitely violates the spirit, if not the law here, and understandably a lot of people were alienated by this move. That said, the Basic Law does provide a provision for the implementation of such a law (Article 23), and there's ample wiggle room for the governments involved to argue that they haven't yet demolished the "one country, two systems" approach as yet.

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Post by avgcorrection »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #843
avgcorrection wrote: post #770

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> That doesn't exclude US Americans from offering criticism. I wasn’t replying to the criticism. I was replying to the comparison to the “liberal mindset”. If liberal democracies hadn’t invaded countries in order to stop the spread of ideas then the comment would have been fine.

While flawed in practice, I think the so-called "domino theory" had some valid roots in the so-called Paradox of Tolerance. It's hard to dispute one historical aspect of communism in particular, namely that it cannot tolerate competing ideologies. The only way to implement communism is through the use of force; it's not something free people will adopt voluntarily. I may think of myself as a tolerant person, but if y…

Nice abuse of Popper’s phrase.

Of course you have just hoisted yourself on your own petard: it’s hard to dispute that American capitalism cannot tolerate competing ideologies, evidenced by (e.g.) The Vietnam War and Korean War. But now I am just repeating my original comment.

You also have another glaring problem to address: it is very easy and simple to tolerate the kind of socialism/communism where an independent nation state wants to use it’s own national resources instead of opening it up to foreign private interests. No one is harmed by that.[1] I guess the CIA just had a very eccentric interpretation of Popper.

[1] Unless you want to get real Red Scare and concoct some crazy theory about how those small nation states are really puppets of the Soviet Union who will use those resources to eventually nuke the Free World… and therefore War is Peace, Paradox of Tolerance and all that.

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Post by regnull »

karaterobot wrote: post #429
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

I thought it was a pretty good response. From the article: > If those students who issued the threats can be identified, they will be subject to appropriate disciplinary action. It sounds like they don't know who the students are yet, so they can't punish anybody. Anyway, I'd rather they say "appropriate disciplinary action", because it implies they'll actually try to find out the full story, which is how I want an a…

It sounds like they are trying to have it both ways. On one hand, they need to do something. On the other hand, they can say, well we couldn’t identify the perpetrators, so oops, we tried.

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Post by mcguire »

trhway wrote: post #873
mcguire wrote: post #861

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discussing the Chinese origin of COVID got branded because racists were using it as an excuse to attack Asians in America, including those who weren't of Chinese descent or whose families had immigrated many decades ago. Yes, if you accuse the waitress at a Chinese restaurant of being responsible for COVID, you are racist.

911 also was used as pretext to attack Muslims/MidEasterners in America, yet discussing Afghanistan/Saudi/Al-Qaeda/Islamic extremism origins of the attack didn't get branded as racist. The firm association in the public mind between the attacks and origins, as your comment for example demonstrates, is the part of that great PR success by China.

Your memory of 2001-2007 or so is very different from mine. I recall the term "raghead", attacks, and the lovely picture of fully armed men in body armor "protesting" a mosque in Dallas. And yes, that was racist.
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