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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by solidsnack9000 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:07 AM UTC

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The standard of a defensive caliber is that it needs to be capable of immediately halting an attacker with the kinds of shots a scared defendant can pull off [0]. Not killing them immediately or eventually, but halting the attack. Plenty of gun shot wounds are capable of killing eventually even if they’re not immediately disabling, and it does you no good if your assailant eventually bleeds to death after they’ve fin…

Thank you for the detailed response. I guess my dreamed up scenarios were more vague "shooter/assailant in the area" whereby I figured I'd want to "make myself less desirable to bother with". Hence small caliber, lots of noise/attempts and if - god forbid - anything connected it would still hurt/slow them. I never really contemplated a "someone intent on killing you" scenario. It isn't something I think of much and I…

It has been technologically updated -- they do improve the tolerances and consistency, introduce wear reducing coatings, and stuff like that -- but it is fundamentally a small, light bullet in a tiny case. That's what defines it, so there's just not much more power you can get out of it.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Rebelgecko » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

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Yes! > In December, a jury in Corpus Christi, Tex., acquitted a 48-year-old man who spent 664 days in jail after being charged with attempted capital murder for wounding three SWAT officers during a no-knock raid that targeted his nephew. The jury concluded that the man, Ray Rosas, did not know whom he was firing at through a blinded window. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/18/us/forced-ent...

So, he served a two-year sentence. Now do Breonna Taylor.

How can be be sentenced for the crime if he was acquitted?

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Rebelgecko » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:09 AM UTC

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PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

What rights of mine have gun owners protected? The 2nd amendment has protected the 2nd amendment, through compliant courts that have turned gun ownership into an entitlement.

I think "no taxation without representation" was a major one (unless you live in Washington DC, sorry)

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by asdff » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:11 AM UTC

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The odds of a fire in my kitchen, someone dinging my car, and even a tree falling on my home in a storm are all much higher than the odds of me needing to fire a bullet at another human being. In fact something similar to all three of those things have happened to me already at one point or another. On the other hand I've never needed or even heard of anyone who has needed to use a gun. What's wrong with a baseball b…

And if you don't land a disabling blow, could well be lethal, and they step outside your extended reach and use their handgun, then...?

If they have a handgun chances are I'm dead before I can draw my own and train one on them anyway. I'm not Clint Eastwood and this isn't a hollywood western. Whoever has the drop wins and by definition that's the intruder since I'm not going to spend every second of my life with a gun in my hand.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by klyrs » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:14 AM UTC

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> After 2nd ammendment you will be seeing "commons sense rules for free speech" like we have seen in UK, Canada and Australia. This is extremely shaky reasoning. You've done nothing to prove that the 2nd amendment is actually protecting these rights, only mentioned the existence of two facts and asserted a causative relationship between them. Have there been attempts to introduce censorship in the US that have been d…

Have there been attempts to introduce censorship in the US that have been defeated by armed activists? No, because there _are_ armed activists. Were there violent uprisings against censorship in the UK, Canada, or Australia that failed due to a lack of access to arms? See Hong Kong of late. Many banners seen during free-speech protests there lamented their lack of a "2nd Amendment".

> No, because there _are_ armed activists.

No, because despite whatever the talkshows say, both parties and especially the judiciary are largely committed to preserving constitutional rights. There's disagreements on finer points of where the lines are drawn, but that's handled in courts and legislation, and rarely ever guns ablazing.

Compare to Hong Kong, which is not governed by consent of the governed.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by solidsnack9000 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:15 AM UTC

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Excellent. There's no reason defensive gun buyers should be demographically different from the general population. It's understandable that gun sales for hunting or other activities might show differences, but we all have the same personal security needs. Side note: I'm one of the people here with a large collection of firearms. One thing to realize when you see the statistic that the US has more firearms than people…

For decades I have lived deep in the heart of some of the densest cities in the country (SF and NYC). These are places with serious and obvious crime problems that I have seen up close and personal, day in and day out. Yet to me, despite these experiences, the entire concept of "personal security needs" involving firearms is absolutely absurd. It sounds like a Monty Python sketch. Silly to the point of absurdity. But…

You are not thinking realistically about their security concerns. Being alone in the middle of nowhere late at night in the dark -- that doesn't happen in a condominium in the middle of Manhattan.

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Post by worrycue » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:16 AM UTC

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> And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. > Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. Does it? > 11. Self-defense gun use is rare and not more effective at preventing injury than other protective actions > Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims u…

This is like claiming people get in car accidents during every single driving trip, because accident reports fail to ever mention drivers reaching their destination safely and without incident.

Is having a gun in your purse really going to protect you from getting mugged?

The person mugging you surely realises there is a possibility you have a gun and will shoot the moment he/she thinks you are pulling a gun out.

Attackers always have first mover advantage and be better able to utilise their weapons.

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Post by Rebelgecko » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:16 AM UTC

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Sure, but if I had to choose between a hunting rifle and a knife I would still take the hunting rifle.

Between the two, I might go with the knife in most situations. I can't carry my hunting rifle around with me all day. Mine also has a huge scope on it that makes it useless at the distances you would typically encounter a hostile human attacker. The rifle is also overpowered for the job, and introduces concern for damage to unintended targets.

Have you ever heard the saying "in a knife fight, the difference between the loser and the winner is that the winner gets to go to the hospital"? Doesn't seem like a fun situation to be in. Especially for people who hunt with weaker calibers or lower powered scopes, it seems ideal to stay out of arm's reach from any potential bad guy

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by zepto » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

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> made possible through the (lack of) gun ownership regulation. The US has plenty of gun ownership regulation. Criminals choose not to follow that though.

Lackadaisical enforcement in the US

It’s not lackadaisical.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by lmm » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

> The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries.

"On a par with Argentina" is still not great. The US is doing a lot worse than comparably wealthy countries.

> Does this mean that France should adopt some aspects of Japanese law

Yes.

> for instance, by readopting the death penalty?

No. Why on earth would that be what you'd jump to? The death penalty is very rarely applied in Japan and, if you look more widely, not at all correlated with low homicide rates.