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Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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I don’t see why they’d need to.

Because they don't have unlimited money to pay the employees with

And yet again I don't see why they'd need to do that. I can only guess you're alluding to some kind of slippery-slope argument.

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I don't know if there's been case law behind it, and I certainly wouldn't want to be the one to try it, but I feel like there's a strong argument to be made that tips are gifts from the consumer to the wait staff. That said, gifts totaling under $15,000 are non-taxable.

Nope. Tips are their own, special thing described in tax law. https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc761

I’m not saying it’s not the IRS’s position, it certainly is, but there is a pretty clear argument to be made that the IRS is wrong.

https://www.palisadeshudson.com/2013/09/if-gifts-are-not-inc...

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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In two years we're going to see a lot fewer eat-in restaurants, a lot more kitchen-only joints, and those kids who used to be wait staff will be on the dole, or marching in the streets. Much like movie theatres, cheap quality dining is going away.

Go to a country with high cost of labour (eg. Switzerland) and you'll see that restaurants work just fine. However, they are a lot more efficient and hire less staff. Waiters carry their own card machines, menus are ready for customers as they walk in, service times are a little bit slower.

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> There are a lot of people who like having a job, but don't really need the money. These people exist, I do not believe that any of them work at fast food restaurants. That’s an incredible amount of stress to put yourself through to “get out of the house” and meet new people. > Those that need the money move up to management if they can. I think you’re overestimating the size of management by quite a bit.

Once you learn the job fast food is not stressful. It is hard work, but entirely routine. Most people decide fast food management isn't for them, and move elsewhere. The ones who remain dropped out and need the free training.

Did you read the article? It directly countermands everything you’re saying. I personally can’t figure out why you’d make a claim that’s such transparent nonsense.

> Most people decide fast food management isn't for them, and move elsewhere.

Perhaps it was too stressful? Just a thought.

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Until there is only Walmart and Amazon left.

It isn't hard to start a new business. There are a ton off niches that Walmart and Amazon don't server well. Find one and serve it, then use profits to expand into the much larger (though lower margin!) areas that Walmart or Amazon serve. Good luck - it is not easy to run a business.

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I think some businesses are going out of businesses because they stubbornly refuse to raise their wages. In the vacation community where I live, there are two grocery/delis about a mile apart from each other. One is at a marina, the other is at a beach. They have almost the same business offering. Traditionally, both are fully mobbed during the sunny seasons. Two weeks ago, I visited the one I usually go to -- at the…

This “labor shortage” line makes more sense when you think of it as a capital strike, not an objective statement of reality that should be treated literally.

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Ending tipping needs a top-down enforcement of norms akin to pandemic response measures. The restaurants that try to go it alone confuse and sticker-shock their customers, unfortunately.

I don't see why we need to end tipping. Keep it, and raise wages. I get that it's the flavor of the week for people to rally around, but I don't see a problem. Let's let the market solve the problem. The last thing we need is even more bureaucracy and laws to police something that doesn't need policed.

I like tipping actually, though my first trip to Asia I was caught off guard by the lack of tipping, like in China and Japan.

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If you’re interested in the topic, I recommend the MIT living wage research [1]. They’ve got probably the most useful calculator, letting you compare multiple scenarios. [1] https://livingwage.mit.edu/

Hmm just ran this for my area (Essex County, MA) and it spat out that NO job pays enough on average to have 3 kids (required 130k, max job average 121k for “management”). This seems a bit pessimistic, as I know plenty of people with 3 kids and pretty typical jobs…

> it spat out that NO job pays enough on average to have 3 kids

No single job that earns enough, I think is what you found; this doesn't preclude that dual-income families can afford to have three kids, with average or above-average income jobs.

I can imagine it would be very difficult to make ends meet in this situation as a single parent with 3 or more kids. (I suppose you would either need an exceptionally high paying job, or another major source of income besides that job.)

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Socializing those things would also make basic entrepreneurship much more practical and make failures of entrepreneurship much less harmful (such as the many restaurants that fail in their first year), hugely benefiting the economy as whole.

I'd like to see data from other parts of the world, but at least for France, this argument may hold some water. A crude comparison of business formation between France (with socialized healthcare / retirement) and the US (without those), shows that the numbers are fairly close. Data is for 2020, which saw a 4% rise for France, whereas in the US numbers were stable. France also doesn't have as much of an "entrepreneur…

Interesting statistic. The one year may be a bit of an outlier for the relationship. If you look at the 2010-2020 period in the data linked above, the US had a significantly higher growth rate in business formation (75% vs. 36%). This is not explained by growth in population which were identical over the period (7.2%, wikipedia).

Re: Restaurant workers quit at record rate

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That's the dream, hopefully it comes to pass, but for now implementation remains problematic. How do you pay for it? Will it be run by the same entities that are having so much trouble balancing Social Security and preventing Medicare fraud?

Is Medicare fraud really a meaningful amount compared to how much it pays out? Europeans have had the same issue for decades, you can’t give things away without some grifting. But that’s part of the cost. Usually not a very large one either.

Just a quick looks suggests it is a big issue. Hard to get firm estimates (presumably because we only know about the people who get caught) but one estimate has it at 7% of total expenditures of $700 billion which puts it at around $49 billion / year.

https://safeatlast.co/blog/medicare-fraud-statistics/

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