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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by syshum »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

>> No Autopilot. This is a big sell for many EV users.

Ford is targeting Truck Buyers, not "EV Users", and I can assure you Ford knows Truck Buyers, and i can also Assure you we do not care or even want Autopilot. We love to drive our trucks.

>>No comprehensive supercharger network.

I fully expect Ford to have this solved by the time the first Truck rolls off the line, I could be wrong but Ford has a ton of partnerships and pull. Hell even if the only chargers where at every dealership that would likely rival Telsa's network out of the box. However I fully expect deals to be made likely in concert with other Manufactures over the next 12 mos so I think this will end up being a non-issue

>>Software rollouts. Ford has been working on this but it is still not Solved.

I still not sure how I feel about this "feature", one of the reason I dislike Tesla is their belief they should be allowed to modify the car I supposedly bought from them anytime they want over the air. Treating the car like it was an Apple iPhone (which I also do not own)

Ford has a careful balancing act here. Ford owners want to OWN their truck, not rent it from Ford

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by stephencanon »

jessriedel wrote: post #608
zip1234 wrote: post #428

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Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Pedestrians make up only a small minority of people killed in car crashes. (Like 6k of 40k per year.) So sure, it's good to make easy adjustments if they lead to big reductions in deaths, but it's not reasonable to care a ton about seriousness restricting the form factor yet think cars are fine in general. Best would be indexing car/truck sales tax to the size of the negative safety externalities, which would be a qu…

Pedestrians should get the benefit first though, because they are not the ones choosing to drive cars. I’m much more OK with drivers making choices that hurt themselves than I am with them making choices that hurt other people who never had the option of choosing.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by zrail »

odonnellryan wrote: post #861
zrail wrote: post #793

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The language on the site talks about requiring a whole house manual or automatic transfer switch. Plus the thing has a 240v outlet. (presumably split phase, 240v single phase is not common in US residential settings). I wonder if the wiring is basically plug the 240v split phase into a special outlet in the house that feeds the transfer switch. The 80amp charger is then just a charger. Could be completely wrong thoug…

That is basically how generators work.

Right. The backup function will require the house be set up with a transfer switch and the appropriate inlet setup, just like a whole house generator. The interesting bit is just the fact that the truck has a 240v split phase inverter built-in and ready to go.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bliteben »

aazaa wrote: post #560

I think it's interesting to look at this through the lens of Christensen's disruptive innovation idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator%27s_Dilemma The move by Ford offers strong evidence that electric vehicles at this point have become a sustaining, not disruptive innovation. Incumbents like Ford can now compete using existing business models and possibly manufacturing practices/equipment. EV companies li…

Thank you for this, I added that book to my reading list.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

jes wrote: post #751
aaroninsf wrote: post #665

Hot take: this, as some like Ars Technica have observed, stands a decent chance of being a real game changer. Everything about this vehicle launch appears masterful, from its technology to its branding to the obvious care taken to ensure that in almost every respect it is so superior, and offers so many no-brainers, as to make anyone who can (both individuals and especially, fleet managers), buy these as fast they ca…

The biggest by far IMO is its ability to power high voltage high draw tools at the jobsite. I have a TIG welder and a solid state linear amplifier that I'd love to be able to power from my truck instead of from a generator.

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

aembleton wrote: post #853
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #524

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The intelligent backup power is such an obviously good feature that I'm surprised nobody has thought of this before. Out here people will spend $5-$10k installing a generac for their home. That thing is loud and takes awhile to turn on depending on the setting. Having your EV plugged in and just "work" when there's a power outage is stupid simple and absolutely worth it.

The Nissan Leaf has been able to do it for a while https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/you-can-power-your...

No it’s not. There’s no Nissan device you can buy in the USA that allows leaf to do power to home. It might be different in Europe, and I know you can import non-Nissan devices from Japan.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by nobleach »

rsync wrote: post #696
Someone1234 wrote: post #277

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Most of the gas F-150 sales are crew cab models, so it makes sense not to target that relatively small niche. The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only , now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others. If you look at the creature comforts of older bench seat trucks (bare-bones) and the trucks sold today, a truck today will have every…

"The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only, now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others." My favorite configuration is: - 8 foot bed - extended (not full) cab - rear doors are "suicide" doors Our ranch truck is a Silverado 1500 in that configuration and it is nice to have optional seats but not lose the 8 foot bed. Suicide doors a…

I've got the same but the 6.5 bed. That just means I can park it at Home Depot somewhere near the entrance to the store. The 8 foot bed does have its allure.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by _ea1k »

fastball wrote: post #843
m463 wrote: post #815

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the $40k cybertruck gets you 250 miles. (...in late 2022)

The Lightning isn't supposed to be going until 2022 either, and Ford is having supply chain issues with chips, which this truck probably needs more than any car they've ever made, so we'll see which ships first.

Yeah, and the Mach-E was delayed by several months as well. It wouldn't be shocking if this ends up being more like late 2022, at least for any significant volume.

Not that its an issue. People focus a little too much on initial ship date, IMO.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by _ea1k »

pokstad wrote: post #272
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

Re autopilot: I want an electric truck, but there’s no way in hell I’m trusting my life to Bay Area tech. I want to save money on gas and be more eco friendly. My truck driving for me is not a want until the tech is perfected.

I don't "trust" autopilot any more than I "trust" basic cruise control. They are both nice to have, though.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by noveltyaccount »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #315
anotherQuarter wrote: post #6

I hope the ability to use your EV battery to backup your house power becomes an expected capability in the future. Glad Ford included it. Too bad Tesla backed away from it, i’m guessing due to their powerwall business.

I'm interested to see if this leads to people living in places without power and using their truck as the sole source of electricity. If you have a small cabin with no a/c, wood heat, and a propane stove - your house is going to use hardly any power compared to your truck. It would barely make a difference.

I'm interested in towing a small camper and using the truck battery for lights on the camper. That would upen up more camp site flexibility.
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