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Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by 4k0sm95gx764 »

cphajduk wrote: post #125
bweitzman wrote: post #84

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How are you comparing nutritional value between meat and plant products? There are literally hundreds of millions (if not billions) of people that have been eating vegetarian diets for their entire lives, and these types of diets have been popular for millennia.

I'm not sure how the comparison is made, however Vitamin B12 can only be found in meat and eggs. If you do not have supplements or eat this type of vitamin containing protein, you risk paralysis and death with a 2+ year absence of the vitamin. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other missing nutrients as well.

Vegetarians and vegans, hope you have (or will have) carefully reviewed the available medical information about what are reliable sources of B12, how to get sufficient amounts, and consequences of not getting enough. Years ago I went low on B12, now I consistently supplement. Be safe. https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements-vitamin-b12/art... "However, if you follow a vegetarian or vegan diet, you might be prone to deficiency because plant foods don't contain vitamin B-12. " https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12/ "Vitamin B12 is generally found in all animal foods except honey while there is no reliable B12 in plant foods, including tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce. " https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12-vegan-sources/ "Brewer’s and nutritional yeasts do not contain B12 unless they are fortified with it. "

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by teekert »

legitster wrote: post #129

I enjoy eating meat and have no plans of going off of it completely. But we eat so much of it as a culture. And when you add up every hot pocket, frozen pizza, slider, hot dog, or chicken nugget, it's hard to argue that most of meat actually being consumed can't be easily substituted. For something healthier and cheaper too! And I know people blast tech companies for focusing too much on making things flashy and cool…

Yeah, recently I made a burger using lentils, with the lettuce, Ketchup and Mayonnaise added, the kids didn't even notice any difference... I did, but it was still pretty nice!

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by jordache »

null0pointer wrote: post #523
jordache wrote: post #392

I tried the impossible whopper. You literally could not tell the difference between that and a normal beef whopper. I realized a lot the attributes of these commercial food products are the additions, like sauce, and toppings that contribute to that precisely calibrated flavor.

I tried the impossible whopper too and I could certainly tell the difference. It was very close, and if I wasn't paying attention I might not have noticed, but it does taste distinctly different. Not trying to say you're wrong, just want to provide another datapoint. I tried it about a year ago, so maybe they've updated their recipe since then. I would encourage anyone reading to give it a try see what they think.

I wouldn't be surprised if you do a back to back A/B comparison, one can identify diffferences. However, soeone who doesn't hasn't eaten a whopper in years, it was essentially how the whopper tasted to me.

That is sufficient of a bar to for a meat replacement I'd say.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

windexh8er wrote: post #859
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #833

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There are people who are strict carnivores and are perfectly healthy, just like there are people that are strict vegans and are perfectly healthy. Calling fiber essential seems wrong on its face.

If you wouldn't mind providing some research to support your agenda that would be great. Here's a list of reference research done at Harvard Medical around the health benefits of fiber and in other cases where it showed no positive improvement [0]. A statement like: > Calling fiber essential seems wrong on it's face. ...to me seems rather ignorant given your prior claims. [0] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsou…

What prior claims? Are you mistaking me for somebody else?

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by wizzard »

DrBazza wrote: post #759
abalone wrote: post #604

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This is so misinformed. Much cattle production is in South America yet you cite only US figures which is less than 10% of headcount.[1] Even the US bison figures you cite predate the massive rise in industrial CO2 emissions, greatly reducing our budget. And you claim “wild life” is declining without sources — commercial cattle still number > 1B worldwide. > One item worth noting is that the decline in U.S. inventory…

Don't forget the human race also nicely made extinct a whole bunch of mega fauna around in the world. In South America, for example, toxodons, which were the most common ungulate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_American_animals...

I just clicked through that link and there are several hypotheses for what caused the extinction of these animals. You state it was humans alone as if this were fact.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by shawnz »

gitrog wrote: post #775
shawnz wrote: post #639

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I actually think this is a legitimate concern. Here's my rationalization: Plants probably don't have a sense of individuality. Personally, I wouldn't care about eating parts of an animal that grew back (like eggs or milk). Plants seem to be no different.

The dairy industry is arguably worse with regard to animal abuse and mistreatment than the meat industry.

I agree, but in theory that is solvable

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by ChrisRR »

jb_gericke wrote: post #685
rictic wrote: post #45

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Every greenhouse gas counts, whether it's part of the preexisting baseline or something recent we started emitting. The goal isn't a return to how things were, the goal is to keep the temperature from climbing too high too quickly.

So let's aim to reduce the source that emits the least and get to transport and industry later?

Let's aim to do them all. Cows and cars are different businesses which can be managed independently and simultaneously

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by unchocked »

swyx wrote: post #374
unchocked wrote: post #80

All of the sudden - I get it. These co's are dealing with a really shitty, commodified form of beef that they'd love to develop an alternative to. So the immediate benefit is they get to serve vegetarians, but the long term is they can transition off their price-above-all meat supply chain.

what prevented you from getting it before? this seems like it was the explicit goal of the meat substitute companies for forever

While I’ve seen that was the goal of the meat substitute co’s - I’m now seeing the fast food co’s goals aligning, which makes the plant meat business much less niche/quixotic.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by cphajduk »

chickenpotpie wrote: post #538
cphajduk wrote: post #522

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Because nutritional yeast is fortified. Hence a supplement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritional_yeast#Nutrition

All purpose flour is fortified, doesn’t make it a supplement. Did you even read your own source. It literally says that nutritionally yeast can be unfortified and it have b12

I did read it indeed, did you?

> "Yeast cannot produce B12, which is naturally produced only by some bacteria.[8] Some brands of nutritional yeast, though not all, are fortified with vitamin B12. When it is fortified, the vitamin B12 (commonly cyanocobalamin) is produced separately and then added to the yeast."

Furthermore, fortified all purpose flour is not the same as fortified nutritional yeast. In fact, what you are referring to is likely _enriched_ all purpose flour. This has vitamin B1, B2, B3, B9 and iron added to it. There is no addition of vitamin B12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_flour

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