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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by diveanon »

trustfundbaby wrote: post #279

I was on the fence about this, but reading the comments convinced me it was the absolute right decision. The fact that all these institutions just allowed this horrible hateful speech for four years, in the name of free speech etc, despite all the harassment, harm (mental and otherwise) it caused to so many people in America actually emboldened so many to the extent that now that they crossed this invisible line, the…

I have been having ongoing arguments on this forum with people who just refuse to accept the reality of what is happening.

I think there is a serious mental health crisis in the US right now, and that the majority of Trump supporters are mentally incapable of acknowledging that they have been lied too, taken advantage of, and as a result are on the wrong side of history.

I have been having meaningful conversations with my family about this, and I feel like I am starting to break through.

Unfortunately I just don't have the emotional bandwidth to coddle the bullshit I see people posting these days in defence of this attempted coup and the resulting murders.

Perhaps a better person than me can be civil with these people, but I just don't give a fuck anymore.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by yurielt »

rorykoehler wrote: post #844
skzv wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But political affiliation is not a protected class. Classes that are protected now, were not protected at some point. I think the discussion revolves not around whether political affiliation is a protected class, but whether it should be, in a sense- whether what is going on is good or bad for society, not whether or not it is illegal. You are entitled to believe that it is good, of course.

Protected class should. be reserved to things you cannot change. People don't choose to be black, gay, trans etc. They choose their political affiliation and even their religion.

But religion usually isn’t something you choose statistically speaking please inform yourself instead of promoting hate against religions

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by yurielt »

jusssi wrote: post #820
johndevor wrote: post #648

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If you can't broadcast, what good is your message?

If you can't broadcast, how good is your message? If you can't convince enough people that your message is worth propagating, maybe it isn't. If you can, you will have the means.

If you can you will have the means? Lmao sounds like you believe popular support is an indicator of correctness and that is very very wrong you should read about Galileo pal

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Jochim »

yurielt wrote: post #867
Jochim wrote: post #839

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If society has decided that your political campaign is so toxic that no one wants to do business with you, should private entities be forced to deal with you if you are not a protected class? Parler being booted is society's reaction to a movement that has been getting more extreme for the last 5 years. I'll note the irony that many of the people complaining about companies refusing to deal with Parler are the same p…

There is a clear difference between people clearly going to the same bakery over and over to harass and old guy, and being unable to actually do politics because of the technocrats and their cronies don’t be dishonest and don’t assume things for which you do not have proof. Not only that but if society decides that the Earth is flat would you agree with any decisions stemming from that, assuming there is a thing such…

> There is a clear difference between people clearly going to the same bakery over and over to harass and old guy,There is a clear difference between people clearly going to the same bakery over and over to harass and old guy.

Look back a few decades and this is exactly the same argument that segregationists were using. You've basically just said: "That shopowner has a right not to deal with blacks, why do they keep harassing that poor man by trying to buy his goods?".

> I will note the irony about people saying that we should respect society “decisions” when they didn’t respect Trump becoming president since day one . Come on pal drop the dishonesty.

Those people didn't leave pipe-bombs at both party headquarters, call for their own Vice President to be hanged, or storm the Capitol building though. It's both transparent and dishonest to try to equate the two. Especially when you consider that Trump was one of the people peddling the birther nonsense about Obama and that pretty much everyone involved with the trump campaign was actually found guilty of some form of corruption. Trump himself has only escaped charges by virtue of being the President.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by yurielt »

jariel wrote: post #836
johndevor wrote: post #240

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Freedom of speech was created when there were many distributed newspapers. If one newspaper decided not to publish your piece, you could go to another. There was not a cabal of newspapers that controlled 99% of information distribution, like do Twitter, Facebook, and Google. This is not something the founders ever could have foreseen. For all intents and purposes, freedom of speech has flatlined in America. What will…

"For all intents and purposes, freedom of speech has flatlined in America." No - 'Freedom of Speech' is at an all time high. The internet gives every single person a giant soap box to stand on. You can communicate, in public, with anyone in the world. 25 years ago, you had no voice. Now, everyone can be a 'journalist' or 'agitator' or whatever. The level of open communication possible today was unthinkable 25 years a…

Yeah but ten years ahorita you used to have a lot more freedom in the same platforms as you know that please don’t be dishonest

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by lazyjones »

Trasmatta wrote: post #361
lazyjones wrote: post #296

Bad idea IMO, the Internet doesn't forget. Why would anyone choose Stripe over another payment processor now when Stripe comes with the additional risk of being banned at a whim for whatever political/ideological/opportunistic virtue-signalling reason? It's not like they have a monopoly like Apple and Google with their respective App Stores. The same goes for AWS, it's just irresponsible to use it now.

> being banned at a whim The President of the United States just incited insurrection because he lost the election. This is not a case of somebody being "banned at a whim".

> incited insurrection

AFAICT this is a common opinion shared by half the population or so, but it's not an undisputed fact or court ruling. What's protecting you or me from similarly popular accusations that might be false in our case? Should we only use Stripe and AWS if we are certain we'll never do, say, or be associated with something that might upset half the population of the USA or a few people in power? Wikileaks upset a lot of people and got banned by VISA and others, for example. Without any wrongdoing in my opinion.

For my business sense, being dependant on AWS, Stripe, Shopify or other politically motivated organizations is a risky situation I'd rather avoid. YMMV.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by hehehaha »

mrkramer wrote: post #870

I feel like decentralized solution like Bitcoin would solve the problems of responsibility, liability and trust. There needs to be economic incentives and costs throughout the network. You as a processing node can support who ever you want and you can collect fees from them for processing transactions. For example if majority of nodes do not want to process certain transactions from certain individuals or organizatio…

Not everything can and should be solved by half-baked blockchain technologies.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by sjwright »

blPanx wrote: post #845
darkwizard42 wrote: post #441

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Actually I think you might have the Colorado case misrepresented here. The baker was ruled in favor due to objecting based on his religious beliefs. Part of this was that he was okay with baking a cake for the gay couple but NOT one that had certain messaging that would violate his faith. [1] If the baker had altogether refused to bake a cake for the gay couple, it would have been discrimination on a protected class.…

Indeed he offered the couple any other cake than a custom wedding cake with two men figures on top . His custom cakes are small works of art. If he'd be forced to create one against his beliefs, why not force a far left painter to paint a favorable portrait of Trump? And indeed this situation has little to do with Silicon Valley corporations offering generic services to millions of people. They are like supermarkets,…

AWS isn't like a supermarket. Depending on the context it's better analogised to something like a car rental chain or a large shopping centre. They're providing ongoing, rented, commodity infrastructure that is subject to acceptable use policies.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by throw0101a »

briandear wrote: post #528
jakelazaroff wrote: post #513

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> Thousands of violent posts were in the "Hang Mike Pence" Twitter trend that was going on the other day. That trended because Trump supporters built a gallows and chanted “Hang Mike Pence” at the Capitol on Wednesday.

Twitter still allowed the hashtag.

Twitter halted the hash tag:

* https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-stops-hang-mike-pence-trend...

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25704588

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by mjevans »

CydeWeys wrote: post #597
mjevans wrote: post #501

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We make people take a test to drive. People should have to take a Civics based test to vote. If someone wants to vote but fails the civics test, they should then immediately qualify for a minimum living wage job to go back to public education and get paid for getting at least an 80% grade at whatever grade level they're working at (obviously with either enrollment at lower grade levels, classification as disability i…

Ironically you're failing my civics test here, because you seem unaware that tests as a precondition of voting are unconstitutional because they were used for a century to deny black people the right to vote. You real don't want to go down this road: It leads to wide scale targeted voter suppression.

I am aware of that, which is why I expressly stated a related condition of restoring those person's rights as citizens by linking the temporary suspension of those rights to continued education (remediation of the citizen being failed by the state).
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