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M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Among other problems, Safari keychain backups don’t work unless you store them in iCloud (and there’s no warning about this): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24626562

This does appear to be sorta documented: Note: You can’t copy passwords stored in your Local Items or iCloud Keychain. To transfer these keychain items to another computer, set up iCloud Keychain on the other computer using your iCloud user name (normally your Apple ID) and password. You can manually copy keychains other than Local Items or iCloud Keychains to another Mac using the steps below. https://support.apple.…

Ah, good find! It appears that the Big Sur documentation notes this right up top, whereas for the earlier OS versions it's relegated to a note at the bottom.

Either way, I'm not sure this counts as a warning! It rather reminds me of:

As you are probably aware, plans for the development of the outlying regions of the galaxy invoke the building of a hyperspace express route through your star system. And your planet is one of those scheduled for demolition.

(Shouts of terror emit around the globe.)

There's no point acting all surprised about it; the plans and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your earth years. If you can't be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that's your own lookout.

Most people setting up their keychain without iCloud will never see this, and there's not even an explicit mention here of the issue with backups (though one could sort of infer that).

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Actually it can be anything. My mother owns a HP Spectre X2 convertible with an Intel WiFi card. Only the driver bundled with the Windows works. Any newer version via Windows Update or Intel breaks the card after a standby-wake cycle. Both updated drivers support the card on paper but, either the driver has a problem or the way the hardware designed on that particular computer messes some stuff up. BIOS upgrade didn'…

> Any newer version via Windows Update or Intel breaks the card after a standby-wake cycle. hahaha that's insane. I've seen some weird things come out of HP machines in the past, so somehow none of the above would surprise me. > No, I started to see some lines in the display like a faulty GPU draws. Ah, interesting. There was a drive bug in the i915 module that could potentially cause a panic on certain hardware. I n…

> hahaha that's insane.

Moreover, out of the box driver is a stock intel wifi driver. It's not vendor-specific. Phew.

> I remember having an issue with the onboard one in my desktop where it would randomly disconnect after negotiating 1Gbps.

That's how the new driver broke one of the NICs. Other ones were just failing to detect carrier at all. The bug you're referring is [0], which I also added some feedback.

[0]: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205047

Realtek's cards are not bad. They're not slow (in terms of latency). They're just not suited to sustained high loads (~60% of interface capacity).

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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> Any newer version via Windows Update or Intel breaks the card after a standby-wake cycle. hahaha that's insane. I've seen some weird things come out of HP machines in the past, so somehow none of the above would surprise me. > No, I started to see some lines in the display like a faulty GPU draws. Ah, interesting. There was a drive bug in the i915 module that could potentially cause a panic on certain hardware. I n…

> hahaha that's insane. Moreover, out of the box driver is a stock intel wifi driver. It's not vendor-specific. Phew. > I remember having an issue with the onboard one in my desktop where it would randomly disconnect after negotiating 1Gbps. That's how the new driver broke one of the NICs. Other ones were just failing to detect carrier at all. The bug you're referring is [0], which I also added some feedback. [0]: ht…

> The bug you're referring is [0], which I also added some feedback.

Possibly not, unless I'm misunderstanding. The bug was seen in a Realtek card in 2011-ish.

I'm suspicious that might've colored my opinion of Realtek early on and why I still buy Intel cards to this day. Well, depending on the motherboard, of course.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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> hahaha that's insane. Moreover, out of the box driver is a stock intel wifi driver. It's not vendor-specific. Phew. > I remember having an issue with the onboard one in my desktop where it would randomly disconnect after negotiating 1Gbps. That's how the new driver broke one of the NICs. Other ones were just failing to detect carrier at all. The bug you're referring is [0], which I also added some feedback. [0]: ht…

> The bug you're referring is [0], which I also added some feedback. Possibly not, unless I'm misunderstanding. The bug was seen in a Realtek card in 2011-ish. I'm suspicious that might've colored my opinion of Realtek early on and why I still buy Intel cards to this day. Well, depending on the motherboard, of course.

Oh, then Intel actually caught-up with Realtek and broke their cards the same way for some time then. :)

Realtek's 8139's first revisions was not able to perform well in most cases (~30mbit max speed, unrealiable). 8169 is much much better. Their new wireless cards also work very well if the driver is good, but they have so many sub-models with very different feature sets, so you need to get the exact chip for your needs.

I use a 8111 (PCIe, Gigabit) at office for desktop to laptop bridge and it works fairly well, no stability or speed problems for now.

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post #846

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In terms of GPU cores it seems evident that Nvidia is clearly number one—disregarding any thermal limits—and AMD is clearly number two. It seems Apple is a solid contender for third place now. I don't think Intel or the smaller embedded players (Mali, PowerVR etc) have anything quite so good. Am I missing something?

Dunno, do you want a GTX 3070 for $499 or a AMD 6800 for $580? The benchmarks come out at about the same per $ (AMD wins by 10-15%). Sure you could get the 3080 ... or the 6800XT. Pick your price point and AMD and Nvidia will have something close. Sure AMD has nothing to compete at the $1500 price point, but the reviews I've seen claim that the $1500 nvidia is just a big waste not close to justifying the price. PS5,…

Yes, Nvidia and AMD are #1 and #2. I was contemplating who might be #3 right now.

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Understood. Intent is often difficult to robustly convey without being neurotically verbose. I promise my response was not borne of annoyance. I just got the impression that you wanted to focus credit on the one thing about the A1 SOC which could plausibly attributed to anyone other than Apple. That seemed a stretch, is all.

> without being neurotically verbose Unfortunately, I know what you mean. I have a tendency toward verbosity that makes it feel that every time I write a post I'm crafting a treatise that might make the great statesmen of old blush (with the exception that I'm far too stupid to make it as interesting or entertaining). And yes, intent is difficult to convey through text even if you're afforded a great deal of time and…

The explanation is appreciated. We’re all human and passions drive us in weird, occasionally unpredictable ways. I’m undoubtedly as guilty of it as anyone.

Also, fuck those anti-vaxxers.

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> I know macTeX. It doesn't play nice with newer macOS, due to Apple's locks on the OS I’ve been using LaTeX from /opt/local with zero integration issue, even on Big Sur. What are the issues you’re alluding to? Otherwise, I agree with your take in general, except that I do everything you do in a Linux VM directly in macOS. I develop and run my codes on a Linux workstation and an iMac, and going back and forth improve…

In the past, MacTeX team had a problem with a particular OS release (when SIP was released and enabled) and, I was in the middle of my Ph.D. At that time, had no time to wait for problems to resolve. I got VMWare, installed Linux, tuned my LaTeX environment and never looked back. I'm sure that all the problems are resolved by now but, my workflow is mature now and everything is working flawlessly. Considering I'm goi…

> In the past, MacTeX team had a problem with a particular OS release (when SIP was released and enabled) and, I was in the middle of my Ph.D. At that time, had no time to wait for problems to resolve. I got VMWare, installed Linux, tuned my LaTeX environment and never looked back.

I feel for you; the middle of writing up a PhD is about the worst time to have this type of technical issues. I remember being afraid of any update back then.

> Didn't play with Macports TBH. I don't think I'm going to use it but, will take a look to it.

To me, Macports is the closest to a sane package manager like on FreeBSD or most linuxes. There is practically no learning curve if you’ve already used one. But yeah, it’s not flashy or cool like Homebrew and it wants to use the system software as rarely as possible so it will reinstall zlib etc. I think the trade off is acceptable because then everything is more stable and predictable as the exact libraries used are known and tested, and won’t be broken by an update.

> Another thing is, I don't customize/change my terminals much. When you manage 1000+ servers with a team, customizing each terminal to your liking is not feasible so, I can work pretty fast with stock bash or anything. I'm old school and don't like flashy console setups anyway. :D

Yeah. In terms of looks, have simple settings to see at a glance if I am on my local computer, a workstation over the LAN, or a cluster somewhere else (I like clean terminals). I have one git repo with settings files and zsh modules though. So I spent quite some time fine tuning everything, and all the computers I use behave the same, whether they run macOS or any Linux distro (or even Cygwin, actually).

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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> The bug you're referring is [0], which I also added some feedback. Possibly not, unless I'm misunderstanding. The bug was seen in a Realtek card in 2011-ish. I'm suspicious that might've colored my opinion of Realtek early on and why I still buy Intel cards to this day. Well, depending on the motherboard, of course.

Oh, then Intel actually caught-up with Realtek and broke their cards the same way for some time then. :) Realtek's 8139's first revisions was not able to perform well in most cases (~30mbit max speed, unrealiable). 8169 is much much better. Their new wireless cards also work very well if the driver is good, but they have so many sub-models with very different feature sets, so you need to get the exact chip for your n…

> Oh, then Intel actually caught-up with Realtek and broke their cards the same way for some time then. :)

Hadn't thought about it that way, but that's hilarious. Realtek's such a trend-setter.

> 8169 is much much better.

Just checked, and apparently that was the card in the machine I had issues with. I think part of the problem is that it was new at the time. So, I can't really fault the drivers per se. I never had any issues with it after they were fixed.

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> without being neurotically verbose Unfortunately, I know what you mean. I have a tendency toward verbosity that makes it feel that every time I write a post I'm crafting a treatise that might make the great statesmen of old blush (with the exception that I'm far too stupid to make it as interesting or entertaining). And yes, intent is difficult to convey through text even if you're afforded a great deal of time and…

The explanation is appreciated. We’re all human and passions drive us in weird, occasionally unpredictable ways. I’m undoubtedly as guilty of it as anyone. Also, fuck those anti-vaxxers.

> We’re all human and passions drive us in weird, occasionally unpredictable ways.

Very true. It's just our nature, and we're all fallible beings in some way or another. Lord knows I'm at the top of the fallibility list.

> I’m undoubtedly as guilty of it as anyone.

I am as well; more than most, in fact.

> Also, fuck those anti-vaxxers.

Agreed!

I didn't realize that was their opinion at the time, so I shared a bunch of medical literature in the hopes of supporting my argument. What I didn't realize was their opinion of any supporting evidence was dismissed as clearly "paid for" by, uh, $LARGE_FACELESS_ENTITY.

While I'm sure that's true in some cases, the mRNA COVID vaccines are fascinating because the principle has been around since 1989. I'm hoping it works, not specifically because of SARS-CoV-2, but because it shows some possibility as an anti-cancer vaccine. We just need to prove the delivery mechanism is functional.

I really want it to work so that we can manage or eliminate other diseases as well. I think that's why I was so frustrated/disappointed.

Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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post #804

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The published benchmarks are mostly "meh" when it comes to anything at the prosumer level and above. The insanely good thermals and 5mm process make M1 a great laptop, but middling performance and a lack of expansion only makes it decent mini-desktop for family use. If the rumors of the M1x prove true, that might be the first real pro-level ARM CPU. For pro-level performance, it's roughly matching AMD's three-year-ol…

A 10W SoC roughly matching a 65W CPU... That's bonkers. Those benchmarks also aren't differentiating between the fanless MacBook Air, the actively cooled MacBook Pro, or the wall-powered Mac Mini, all of which have different performance characteristics with the same chip.

What I wrote: "The insanely good thermals and 5mm process make M1 a great laptop"
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