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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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rpiguy wrote: post #428
soared wrote: post #349

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You can't honestly be saying that we're overreacting to COVID? I would hope someone in full PPE everyday has a much lower rate of COVID deaths. The US alone has more than 25% of global cases - comparing Europe to the US doesn't really make sense. They largely beat covid, the US obviously hasn't (see 70k new cases yesterday) More people die in car crashes than the flu - doesn't mean we don't spend trillions on road sa…

There is no science behind the lockdowns. There is no logic in keeping Walmart open but closing Sears for safety. Yes I believe it is absurd the level to which we have locked down the country. Some of the states that had the strictest lockdowns, NY, NJ, also had the worst outcomes. The purpose was never to stop the virus but to slow it. Growing cases does not concern me. Death rate has blipped up a little but no wher…

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Post by ashtonkem »

tremon wrote: post #725
ashtonkem wrote: post #477

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The marshmallow test also selects for kids with food insecurity, you know.

Not only that, it selects for children that have learned to trust other people's promises. If you have learned that a promised reward will never materialize, the rational choice is to take the treat now.

It’s almost like human behavior is really really complicated, and resists being boiled down to a single number.

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Post by usaar333 »

BadCookie wrote: post #868
usaar333 wrote: post #684

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> and if I was a teacher over 40 I would have serious reservations knowing it is extremely likely I will almost certainly catch the virus eventually. I'm not proposing schools open in an NYC/Houston/Miami type situation. But in lower infection area (e.g. the Bay Area), where about 0.1% of the population is infected weekly, you are not "almost certainly" going to get the virus. Obviously, school opening should be gate…

> (e.g. the Bay Area), about 0.1% of the population is infected weekly I don't know if your 0.1% number is accurate, but let's assume that it is. If somehow cases remain completely level for the rest of the school year (which is far from a given, but for the sake of argument ...) over the course of 40 weeks, a randomly-chosen person has roughly a 40 * 0.1% = 4% chance of getting infected. But that is a randomly-chose…

> maybe 6x as likely to get infected as a random person

That is almost certainly not the case. California has had 350 daycare staff get covid infections out of 100k+ workers. That's actually about a third the rate on average.

Again, kids are less likely than average to have covid. Infectious kids may be less likely to transmit. This is different from flu where kids are large carriers. There are few documented cases of young kids (under 10) spreading to other kids or to teachers.

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Post by imjustadude »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #459
greesil wrote: post #444

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I can take a guess. People consume different information sources, and have different ideologies. So, they may arrive at different conclusions than you. I suspect this is more heavily on the ideology side because it's hard to deny the body count.

It was more of a rhetorical question. I know why it's happening, it's just ridiculous and infuriating that it is happening. Anyone who comes in with good faith and actually objectively looks at the statistics and response can't possibly come to a different conclusion. The problem comes down to the "good faith" and "objective" parts of that sentence.

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberal...

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Post by garmaine »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #861
garmaine wrote: post #802

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The purpose is to safely achieve learning goals, not to provide daycare.

In an ideal world, yes. In the real world school is also daycare so parents can go to work though.

No, what I mean is that providing daycare is NOT a requirement that has factored into school district or education department decisions at all. It is not something that is being optimized for.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

rayiner wrote: post #836
mynameisvlad wrote: post #713

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> It’s the states fault that there weren’t any test kits, tracing and isolation infrastructure, etc. Why exactly is this the states' fault? This seems like something that would be far more effective at the federal level. It's the exact same argument as the parent comment, it shouldn't be up to states to create tracing and isolation infrastructure, test kits, etc. Putting that burden on the states is exactly how we go…

> Why exactly is this the states' fault? Because it was their responsibility. The CDC, as well as about 235 years of law, was absolutely clear about this: https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/phl101/PHL101-Unit-5-16Jan09-S... (slides 8, 10). > This seems like something that would be far more effective at the federal level. Maybe that’s a discussion we can have for next time. But the point is that we had a very long-standing…

> Canada, Australia, Germany, etc. all managed to do this just fine.

You mean countries with federal-led and coordinated responses? I wonder why they did just fine. Maybe it was the leadership and support that the US so desperately lacks.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/emergency-pr...

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavir... and https://www.health.gov.au/committees-and-groups/australian-h...

https://www.bundesregierung.de/resource/blob/973812/1753872/...

The states/provinces within may have been the primary ones managing in certain cases, like Australia, but the entire response in all three countries is federally led and centralized through committees and support from the federal governments. In fact, one of the key parts of Australia's response is specifically

> ensure the response is consistent and integrated across the country

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Post by tomp »

strgcmc wrote: post #615
watwut wrote: post #593

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Complete eradication is not what Europe nor China are doing and have better results.

This. And maybe we shouldn't trust China's reported data, but Europe is almost doing miraculously well if you compare to the USA. Not going for eradication, but containment. With containment, everything else is possible (healthcare system not overloaded, economy can be opened up, schools can reopen, etc.). The US has capitulated completely, and even containment isn't really on the table nationally; on a state-by-stat…

The main thing Europe is doing, is border lockdowns. Some borders are open, but in general only those to countries with low Covid cases. Other travelers get quarantine, policed to various degrees.

All of this is completely unworkable in the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

imjustadude wrote: post #874
mynameisvlad wrote: post #459

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It was more of a rhetorical question. I know why it's happening, it's just ridiculous and infuriating that it is happening. Anyone who comes in with good faith and actually objectively looks at the statistics and response can't possibly come to a different conclusion. The problem comes down to the "good faith" and "objective" parts of that sentence.

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberal...

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rpiguy wrote: post #430
enraged_camel wrote: post #175

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>> Schools across Europe have opened. Children rarely spread the disease. Doctors recommend schools open. False on all three counts. Stop spreading misinformation and propaganda, thanks.

All three are true, you are denying science. I am very tired of this anti-science crowd peddling fear. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

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Post by brnt »

war1025 wrote: post #838
Izkata wrote: post #822

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> because I wanted to imply that there would still be some left but that it would be a manageable amount. Go for "decimated" next time, rare to see it used right ;)

Decimate means you kill 1 out of every 10. It's probable that we decimated the virus and more. It's just that doesn't really make a difference.

Decimate means leaving 1 out of 10 alive. A 90% reduction.
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