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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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This is difficult because there are different definitions of 'right' as well as different environments. They can be successful at the ballot box nationally but still be persecuted. Remember that Brendan Eich was forced out of Mozilla for his views. To be a professor in University of California one has to pass a political litmus test. So yea I do think there is persecution.

> Remember that Brendan Eich was forced out of Mozilla for his views. He was forced out due to a 1000$ personal donation to a political group that was Christian/right leaning. Political speak: "Incompatible/Hostile views"

I seem to recall there was slightly more to it than that. I don't have the time or inclination to get drawn into this now but I didn't want an incomplete summary to stand unchallenged.

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The iron fist is a double edged sword in some senses. Although reddit acted as a free speech haven for a long time, it was only overall, and not ever in major specific communities. True free speech is valued because it fosters debate, and allows bad speech to be rebutted by more speech. A marketplace of ideas, and maybe more importantly, the counterspeech doctrine, are incredibly important principals in justifying th…

> True free speech is valued because it fosters debate, and allows bad speech to be rebutted by more speech Sure, but in practice this is what true free speech on reddit for a large sub looks like before moderation * 3 knee jerk replies * 10 pieces of spam asking you to buy their bit/altcoin or click on their affiliate links * 5 people who are hurling vile insults at you for whatever reason * 8 more people who are hu…

Yup; give everyone an equally sized soapbox and people will take advantage of it. Imagine a town square full of people all trying to make themselves heard, with a nontrivial percentage just there to make noises, groups that start chanting / singing and lighting smoke bombs, etc.

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Don't think in terms of minorities and majorities. Here's a quick simple list: hating on men, white people, Christians, heterosexuals and conservatives is fine. Everything else is hate speech.

Kind of funny how HN is downvoting you even though they all know this is the truth. People are so drunk on lies and political correctness that they can't even think straight.

Oh dude thinking has long since left the conversation in places like reddit.

I'm at a loss here. I'm done with reddit, but think: there are tens of millions of impressionable minds growing up into this. Not only are they drinking the kool-aid, now they don't even know there are other opinions because those opinions are forbidden.

This is dark.

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> Remember that Brendan Eich was forced out of Mozilla for his views. He was forced out due to a 1000$ personal donation to a political group that was Christian/right leaning. Political speak: "Incompatible/Hostile views"

I seem to recall there was slightly more to it than that. I don't have the time or inclination to get drawn into this now but I didn't want an incomplete summary to stand unchallenged.

That is about it. That, and that given the opportunity to apologise for it, he didn't.

He immediately lost the respect and trust of most mozillians and a lot of the public, which itself made him unfit for the role. I don't know if you can really say he was forced out; you don't keep a CEO around when nobody in a company of hundreds of employees trusts them.

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> For example, many groups that advocate the dissolution of the nuclear family or sexual revolution have a communist origin There is some history to that and I think this criticism was directed at family structures in Germany and other countries around the start of the last century. People today probably could not imagine anymore, but children at the time would have never even thought about disagreeing with their par…

Such kids-seniors relation is not a requirement of nuclear family structure at all. Somehow people managed to keep nuclear families intact with very wide range of intra-generational attitudes. A lot of critique of nuclear family is talking specifically about family where kids are raised by parents and how that is unfair to kids who weren't so lucky with good parents. In the early soviet union, some of more radical re…

I agree. I tried to make the point that they are shooting beyond reason. Just that at the time the criticism was valid. It is literally a circle jerk that somehow survived. The state cannot have guardianship of kids beyond their fundamental rights and basic education. But only to a degree for the latter with consent from parents. Everyone arguing beyond that is completely crazy in my opinion.

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Just because something is hated by most of the left doesn't make it "not left".

As a trans person myself. All that subreddit did was target hate towards trans people. Anyone care to elaborate on what else they did with actual proof?

Seems a bit strange that you'd simultaneously ask for proof and expect others to accept your premise as fact without also providing something more substantive than "I'm X so therefore I'm an authority on Y"

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Social media companies and "the left" are not the same. Although they surely have some overlap (just as social media companies and "the right" surely have some overlap), conflating them entirely with each other is simply false. We cannot assign political conspiracies to entire industries.

I don't think the claim is that social media is inherently leftist, but rather than leftists have mounted attacks on all social media companies that don't actively censor right-wing opinions (see current ad boycott targeted at Facebook). I think the success of these campaigns are extremely concerning and a reminder that peace and prosperity are not a given.

Companies should be accountable to their customers. When a large group of those customers collectively exercise their rights to let a company know the company's values don't align with those customers, that seems like a pretty reasonable demonstration of the market.

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> Remember that Brendan Eich was forced out of Mozilla for his views. He was forced out due to a 1000$ personal donation to a political group that was Christian/right leaning. Political speak: "Incompatible/Hostile views"

I seem to recall there was slightly more to it than that. I don't have the time or inclination to get drawn into this now but I didn't want an incomplete summary to stand unchallenged.

he donated in support of prop 8 in california (banning same sex marriage)

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I'm not seeing "school vouchers" or "individual responsibility", classical pillars of Conservative values, being censored. I am seeing a ton of censoring of racist and hateful comments, both openly so and dog whistles. So unless you're claiming that right-wing values are inherently racist or hateful...

You aren't seeing that content censored, because that content has been censored, and its posters vilified so completely, for so long, that it has disappeared. There are virtually zero republicans or conservatives on any social media site -- they know they aren't welcome, so they don't engage very much. You don't see them being censored because, at this point, they self-censor. Who wants to be doxxed and have their em…

i see them literally all the time.

there's plenty in this thread.

there's plenty on reddit.

there's plenty on twitter.

what are you talking about?

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"Would something decentralized help?" Not directly; I'm increasingly thinking centralization is not the problem. The problem is size. The intersection of "things that everyone agrees are acceptable" goes to zero as the size of the community increases, and while communities have strong selection effects that prevent them from being anything like "a uniformly random selection of people slammed together", regression to…

I would put it as "the problem is society" essentially as opposed to size per se. I personally doubt that what is essentially a forcibly sharded technical approach akin to what MMOs did to deal with larger loads and content saturation would be useful. Content depends upon O(n) users subdividing it would reduce the utility and make it lose out and worse breed a new tribalism. Combine that with side channels and I am s…

I agree, but I think that size and the speed by which information spreads makes social media what it is.

Social media is like being in a room with thousands, possibly millions, of people. If you have a gathering of this many people in real life it's entirely possible for the crowds to go out of control and for them to turn into a mob. This mob then gets worse through one-upmanship.

Subdividing these groups might breed new tribalism, but it'll make it less likely for a situation to spiral out of control. It takes more time for information to pass the barrier between communities. You also won't get as many people engaging in group-think, because your in-group isn't as large.

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