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Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by notacoward »

zzzcpan wrote: post #835

So much hypocrisy. When war mongering governments like US, Russia use Cloudflare for war propaganda websites that enable their wars and killings of lots and lots of people it doesn't bother Matthew Prince. Or when websites behind Cloudflare promote and sell lethal weapons that are the actual reason behind mass shootings even being possible, still doesn't bother him. But no, a dissident free speech activist website is…

"dissident free speech activist website" is a pretty darn charitable description of 8chan, and certainly not what makes it unique. Are there even a significant number of free-speech absolutists at 8chan, or do they just want their particular kind of chicanery to be unrestricted? By what objective, rational standard should 8chan be completely unregulated while that's not the case for sites dealing (for example) in drugs or sex?

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by rajacombinator »

CM30 wrote: post #656

I don't like 8chan as a website, but I'm still not a fan of this move. Feels like no one online wants to just provide a 'dumb pipe', and always want to act like a pseudo publisher trying to dictate what's allowed and what isn't. Imagine if real life utilities did this. If because someone used your property for offensive purposes, the water company cut off the water supply, or the electricity company refused to provid…

> Imagine if real life utilities did this.

Coming soon to a wrongthinker near you.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by gamblor956 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #759
king_magic wrote: post #716

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those always sounded like noble, wise words. And maybe they once were. But in age when white supremacy/fascism/nazism/strongman-leader-ism is rising again, I’m no longer sure I agree with them.

Then you probably never shared these values to begin with. Voltaire probably wasn't someone that would give up freedoms out of fear of negligent threats.

Unless we're talking about a different Voltaire, he did precisely that many times to avoid prison and execution...

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Post by lordlimecat »

ptah wrote: post #579
Lazare wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they're violating your freedom of speech. Popper taught us th…

yes, i think this is a serious flaw in the US constitution. other countries are more sensible and reasonable when it comes to dealing with hate speech

Have any of those "other countries" used similar laws in the past 100 years for political suppression and consolidation of power?

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by JangoSteve »

cryptica wrote: post #655

It's concerning that Cloudflare is monetizing on these disasters by publishing this article and promoting it on HN; in a way, they're using these crimes as an opportunity to improve their brand image. Cloudflare should have dealt with this privately; this matter is between Cloudflare and 8chan - They were always able to choose who they want and don't want to do business with. They were very happy to take the money wh…

> I'd love to see companies actually do the right thing and not talk about it;

Was this being intentionally ironic? If companies do the right thing and don't talk about it, then you won't see it. They could be doing it right now, and you'd have no way to know.

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Post by luckylion »

MrsPeaches wrote: post #626
sytelus wrote: post #205

This is the same argument cake shops make against taking order from gay people. I do believe that so-called manifesto is mind-numbingly dumb, fact-free and it is dangerous in the sense it will inspire more violence against innocent people. But that precisely what makes it a good test case for asking some fundamental questions. Can commercial businesses with deep reach, pricing power and critical function deny service…

Just wanted to point out that being gay is not an “ideology or belief” in the same way that being straight is not. Comparing the two implicitly accepts the idea that one can choose to be gay (and can thus be changed with the right methods)

> Comparing the two implicitly accepts the idea that one can choose to be gay (and can thus be changed with the right methods)

Not necessarily, it can also mean that you don't choose ideology or belief either, which I think is hard to argue against: nobody decides "I'm going to be a socialist" and then models their worldview after socialism.

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Post by throwaway5752 »

cryptonector wrote: post #859
zouhair wrote: post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> of course, I've not looked So go look, it would not take you much (site down for now though, for obvious reasons). I did it back with the Christchurch terrorist attack and won't do it again it's so vile and that's a euphemism.

How? They're being deplatformed.

That is not what CF or any CDN does, and that's not what "deplatformed" means. If you toss it around like that, it won't be clear that it has a precise meaning and people will think it's a phrase that is thrown around to coerce people to unwillingly associate with people and organizations they don't want to associate with.

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Post by partiallypro »

ajross wrote: post #473
Iv wrote: post #79

Tor's onion service will always there to provide hosting to the less popular ideas. The censorship-resistant network is there. Make sure to give it some love. Last time I checked, people were discussing how to murder, exchanging nazi manifestos and conspiracy theories. I was looking for anarchist discussions but I actually ended up having these on reddit. Don't get fooled by the current positioning of IT firms, it on…

The shooters in Poway, Christchurch and El Paso didn't post their screeds via Tor, and weren't radicalized on onion sites. They went to 8chan, because that was more easily understood, widely accessed, and had a larger community. It's the community that matters here, not the technology. The issue isn't whether or not it's possible for two nutjobs to converse in some way, obviously they can. It's whether or not there i…

Those communities will just be driven underground, more than likely, to Tor sites and be much harder to track. At least once 4Chan and 8Chan are pushed out.

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Post by bena »

ptah wrote: post #579
Lazare wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they're violating your freedom of speech. Popper taught us th…

yes, i think this is a serious flaw in the US constitution. other countries are more sensible and reasonable when it comes to dealing with hate speech

The only freedom worth anything is the freedom to be wrong.

Freedom, like the song says, isn't free. But the cost isn't the wars we fight, the cost is the potential for that freedom to be used for nefarious ends.

I'll take hate speech. Slurs. Insults. Incitements to violence.

If it means that I cannot be arrested for voicing my displeasure of the government when my government steps out of line.

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