What I Heard from Trump Supporters

>I've studied it in basic biology classes

Nobody is arguing that the basic functionality of vaccines doesn't work - this is a strawman argument that those who wish to dismiss any criticism of the vaccine industry use.

Understanding infectious diseases and taking proper personal hygiene measures along with having clean drinking water and plumbing/sewage had much more to do with the decline in infectious diseases than vaccines ever did. The effectiveness of vaccines is highly overstated.

Many doctors have spoken out about the vaccine issue. They are typically threatened and punished after doing so.

Pharma companies have billions if not trillions of dollars in profits at stake on this issue. To dismiss any concern as being "anti science" is the height of ignorance. Any academic institution is simply a collection of fallible human beings. These institutions can, and have, become corrupted just as easily as any other.

There is a very long list of vaccines that have been developed that were later found to have been causing horrible medical problems. The idea that a vaccine could cause medical problems is not at all a controversial one.

There is convincing evidence from scientists like a certain CDC whistleblower that there is indeed data showing that there are major problems with the current vaccine schedule.

Asking questions like, why has the vaccine schedule for babies exploded to dozens of shots in rapid succession, when there's not been an equivalent explosion in those infectious diseases? Why should gigantic pharma companies, who every year make billions in profits, be not held liable for any harm that is caused, nor are they required to perform rigorous testing with double blind human trials for vaccines (like they are for other drugs)?

But I guess since you once studied it in a basic biology class, all those questions are just "dumb anti vaxers".

Maybe it fits more if you think of it as a vote "against the left" instead of a vote for Trump. As for your "real evidence", I don't think that enters into most republicans considerations.

> this is a strawman argument that those who wish to dismiss any criticism of the vaccine industry

There we go, the usual methods to discredit science at play again.

Firstly, no you are absolutely wrong, in that people directly claim that vaccines are a scam and that they kill babies/children.

Next, you are doing the usual spread of FUD, inadvertently or intentionally, which isn't my concern. Either way you are a vector for memes that harm humanity and so are culpable.

> Understanding infectious diseases and taking proper personal hygiene measures along with having clean drinking water and plumbing/sewage had much more to do with the decline in infectious diseases than vaccines ever did. The effectiveness of vaccines is highly overstated.

What?

The only way its overstated is if you don't know what you are talking about.

Firstly : Small pox is not cured by clean hands.

Secondly: No one is giving vaccines anything more than their due. Well until anti vaxxers showed up, and once you have a radical voice shouting about something, the only signal you get is high contrast and caricratured. Before vaxxers showed up, vaccines were generally a part of a larger series of protections to help human beings. They were pretty awesome, and awesome in their own right.

This didnt mean that people stopped valuing hygiene or its place in healthcare. One of the most famous recent examples going around in literary articles has been about how doctor hygiene standards have gone up after they saw what kinds of germs they were carrying.

> Pharma companies have billions if not

Do you think pharma companies, doctors and scientists exist in a vaccum?

They are governed by medical bodies, malpractice laws, and by the larger will of the people.

And Doctors have their licenses and their liberty at risk if they poison you.

If a drug or technique was found to be dangerous, the people who pushed it on the population while knowing the consequences get fined in billions, and more.

> there is a very long list

Please share this list, I would like to see it.

> There is convincing evidence from scientists like a certain CDC whistleblower

Please go ahead and share the papers and peer reviewed articles showing this to be true.

> when there's not been an equivalent explosion in those infectious diseases

What?

They've changed the method and medium to give people their doses. As kids in India we used to have to get several painful injections, which often left scars. Theyve found other ways to get it done today.

> double blind trials

What? I'm going to test a vaccine on an infant by giving another infant the fucking black death!??!?

What the heck are you on?

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Look if you believe this stuff, and actually are fair and credulous - spend the exact same amount of effort and time research WHY vaccines work instead of the brain manipulative stuff left out by anti vaxxers.

When I lived in a bigger city I was constantly commenting on how it always seemed to be the most left leaning people saying things like "someone should shoot that bastard" in reference to some politician or another.

It's interesting to note that the word "fired" in an employment context is the same word used to describe what occurs when a gun is operated.

Polio is transmitted fecal to mouth, so proper hygiene is absolutely going to prevent you from getting polio.

As for the effectiveness, it is absolutely must be questioned, and here is a case in point: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleb...