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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by exstudent2 »

kyrra wrote: post #797
exstudent2 wrote: post #678

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The tweets in this article are militant. A Github employee actually said this: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008... That would not be possible if it wasn't a dominant culture (without him getting fired).

As someone else here pointed out, that tweet is out of context. It was part of a 10+ tweet rant about politics and social medicine. (It still is a bit offensive, but less so than the article makes it out to be) https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297

I think it's still offensive and racist. It's also scary to see that he basically has a university freshmen's outlook on the world but for some reason has a position to execute these ideas from within Github.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by malandrew »

taneq wrote: post #775
archagon wrote: post #612

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I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

> Most of my friends are feminists . > There's practically no hostility There are many people who identify as feminists who are fair, rational, and genuinely want equal opportunities for all. There are many other people who identify as feminists who are militantly against anything but total female domination. The word is used by so many different groups with different ideologies in different contexts that it's become…

http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by morgante »

humanrebar wrote: post #854
morgante wrote: post #833

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> That's not the analogy. I was making an oblique reference to a rather famous free speech case. [0] > is it ethical (legality aside) for a board full of clansmen to fire a CEO that donated to the ADL? No, but I have a hard time finding anything clansmen do ethical. If your ideology is motivated by bigotry, that's the problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_Am...

I'm familiar to the case. My point was that I don't find it particularly analogous to the Eich case. Having no relationship to some people who walk down the street occasionally is substantially different than actually having to be professionally associated with someone and practice tolerance on a regular basis. I'd also argue that free speech should be protected in both cases (socially if not legally). > If your ideo…

> My point was that I don't find it particularly analogous to the Eich case.

I think there's been a miscommunication, because neither do I.

They're fundamentally different cases, in that I think the NSDAP should have the legal right to march but they can absolutely be punished socially.

Likewise, I think what happened to Eich was perfectly legal but not necessarily moral. They're not the same and that was my point: invoking "free speech" as a Constitutional right has no bearing on the Eich case.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jmorphy88 »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #791
jmorphy88 wrote: post #445

All "diversity" programs, along with other legalisms like "minority" status, "historically disprivileged groups", etc. are entirely about anti-white racism and dispossession. They have no moral standing and no logical consistency, and they don't pretend to, nor do they even need to. It's utilitarian and provides benefits to a specific group at the expense of another. I'm happy GitHub is getting to experience the runa…

You don't believe any actions should be taken to try and unwind the lingering effects of chattel slavery and jim crow?

Nope. Plenty already has been done, and why do other non-white groups get special status too?

Like I said, it's all about shaking down whitey.

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Post by noelsusman »

madebysquares wrote: post #530

Diversity is a touchy subject. As a black engineer myself I've worked at three companies where I've been the only black technical worker and it's hard some times. I've gone to conferences where I've been maybe 1 of 5 or 6 engineers out of hundreds. i don't do any hiring but I often wonder if there is a lack of qualified black male or female engineers or what but sometimes I do feel isolated.

You'll see pretty much the same numbers at top American engineering universities. Most of the race/gender disparities we see in tech companies are a direct result of the same disparities seen in tech universities. The problem starts before freshman year of college.

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Post by greenrd »

dba7dba wrote: post #756
archagon wrote: post #612

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I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

Did you not read the article? It says they can't even interview white candidates for jobs.

If things ever get that extreme, it's time to whip out the research on race and IQ.

It's like, well, you asked for it.

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Post by lackbeard »

djur wrote: post #812
farkas wrote: post #508

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> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

(I'm going to refer to Bitbucket Server as Stash here because that's what it's been called for most of the time I've used it and to keep it distinct from the public offering I'm comparing it to.) Stash and Bitbucket have converged more than I expected, mostly because my recollection of Bitbucket was closer to Github than it actually is. But versus Bitbucket, Stash is missing Mercurial support, snippets, issues, wiki,…

The removal of wiki-formatting from Confluence was a huge blunder. Every programmer who comes into contact with the Atlassian suite is now going to do their best to avoid it in the future.

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Post by greenrd »

merlinsbrain wrote: post #716
sytse wrote: post #692

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Anything we can improve in GitLab to make getting shit done easier?

I'm in the process of moving all my stuff to gitlab.com. There's a lot of stuff going on in the sidebar and it took a while for me to figure out where things were. The mobile experience was also not amazing . If you would like to take this conversation offline, I'd be happy to. I like Gitlab so far, although I'm only 5% in to my "migration" process.

The mobile experience for github is not amazing either. It rearranges everything for no apparent reason and makes it harder or impossible to access what I want.

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Post by greenrd »

gaur wrote: post #850
StevePerkins wrote: post #488

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I don't have a link, and I'll admit that this is subjective and anecdotal. I just recall there being a LOT of people who found it perfectly reasonable to oust somebody for long-ago political donations, despite there being no indication that he ever actually discriminated against anyone at Mozilla. Yeah, you can make arguments that the mere existence of a such past donation creates a symbolically hostile environment,…

> At the time Eich made that donation, every major Democratic presidential candidate (including Clinton and Obama) were ALSO publicly opposed to marriage equality. So it seemed like extreme mental gymnastics to put a "hate speech" label on Eich. No, the extreme mental gymnastics here involve thinking that hate speech can be defined by looking at the content of Clinton and Obama's campaign speeches. The ouster came si…

He was on the wrong side of history, but your last sentence was unnecessary and over-the-top. He wasn't hired as a CEO, he was promoted into it. Before he became CEO, his political donations would not necessarily have been a concern.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by greenrd »

elcapitan wrote: post #304

Can we have a seal for services and software that are not run by the SJW crowd? That would be helpful. No racist "Code of Conduct"? Check.

Codes of conduct generally act to protect people from racist and sexual harassment, by prohibiting and deterring it. Name one example of racist harassment against white people that a code of conduct hasn't prevented.

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