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US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by keepamovin »

krige wrote: post #758
keepamovin wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t accept the theocratic tyrants who implement terrorism, execute their own people and slaughter them as they protest remain in charge. They should be forced out of power. I wonder if the US had struck when momentum was high during the popular uprising, it could have being self sustaining, with arms and logistics setup to feed the resistance advance.

There was, and still is, no scenario in which US and/or Israel attacks Iran and effects regime change. Come on, we've been over this multiple times over the past few decades. Any direct military action will galvanize population against the existential threat, not against the tyrant who's still your countryman, no matter how rotten. If they wanted true change, grassroots support was the only way. Was, because at this…

I see your point. You don’t think most Iranians want freedom from tyrants? I see 90% dislike the tyrants, and 80% want Trump to eradicate them. Leveling the field for the popular revolution I hope takes over.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by mlrtime »

aschla wrote: post #727
tristanj wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No chance. A nuclear strike on Iran won't achieve anything that a large number of conventional strikes would.

You're assuming the current president operates on rationale. He simply would love to be the guy who uses a tactical nuke.

How much would you wager? It's easy to to say what you're saying because it's popular.

If you watch action and not social media bs, the probability is close to 0%.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by hermitcrab »

Unicironic wrote: post #283

It's disheartening to hear people talk about this in terms of won and lost. Is that how you think of these events? I think of them in terms of sadness and horror. The US threatened to obliterate a country and people, because gas was getting a little expensive. If winning and losing is the way you are framing this, instead of thinking about the humans that these actions affect, then we all have lost.

In a war, usually both sides lose.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by znnajdla »

holografix wrote: post #554

This is basically a win for Iran. 1. They replaced the decrepit Khameini with a much younger and more formidable Khameini. 2. “Pulled a Ukraine” vs the US showing defiance and have now rallied any wavering regime supporters against the American and Jewish “devils”. 3. Reminded the anti regime population that they’re not going anywhere and that the US can’t help them. 4. Showed everyone in the ME and the world that if…

6. Permanently destroyed many US bases and radar installations in the Middle East which aren’t coming back anytime soon.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by karim79 »

Israel's agreement with the GCC countries:

1. Guarantee that Israel won't attack a neighbouring state again.

2. Respect borders and refrain from engaging in expansionist activities.

3. Declare their nuclear weapons and respect the rights of neighbours to possess such weapons.

4. Desist in all genocidal activities for a period of forever.

5. Submit any and all Israeli leaders for whom international arrest warrants have been issued to the appropriate authorities.

6. Be responsible for those occupied by the state of Israel, in accordance with international law.

7. All second hand furniture should be registered with Bibi Netanyahu's office for evaluation.

8. Bibi Netanyahu should not use his thumb on the map in his office while describing the Greater Israel Vision because it's annoying and illegal.

9. Bibi Netanyahu must declare all gifts of second-hand furniture to the state of Israel to avoid further corruption charges.

10. Bibi Netanyahu must submit himself to a psychiatrist with utmost immediacy.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by littlestymaar »

RiverStone wrote: post #389
Unicironic wrote: post #283

It's disheartening to hear people talk about this in terms of won and lost. Is that how you think of these events? I think of them in terms of sadness and horror. The US threatened to obliterate a country and people, because gas was getting a little expensive. If winning and losing is the way you are framing this, instead of thinking about the humans that these actions affect, then we all have lost.

That doesn’t align with the perspective of actual Iranians I know. There are news reports of Iranian expats and opponents within Iranian who are disappointed with the ceasefire. They wanted trump to go further and destroy the regime. That aligns with conversations I’ve had with Iranians friends in the US and family members within Iran who want the regime destroyed so there is a chance of removing the Islamic theocrac…

> There are news reports of Iranian expats and opponents within Iranian who are disappointed with the ceasefire. They wanted trump to go further and destroy the regime.

That's the diaspora's luxury. They don't have to endure the pain of the conflict or sanctions, and they always end up being the biggest hardliners for that reason.

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Post by johnbarron »

Aloisius wrote: post #260
megamike wrote: post #31

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran t…

Iran's semi-official Mehr News Agency (via China's state news agency Xinhua[0]) claims the 10 points are: 1. U.S. commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression 2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz 3. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights 4. Lifting of all primary sanctions 5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions 6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran…

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Post by anthonybsd »

smcnc wrote: post #237

I don’t see how the majority of comments paint this as a victory for Iran. Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed, nuclear sites in rubble, defense industrial complex leveled, two levels of leadership KIA, and the only thing preventing you from permanent destruction or regime change is an impotent threat of attacking ships? I guess I’m missing something. War sucks but in this case Iran is a shell of the…

>impotent threat of attacking ships

Seeing diehard MAGAs in these comment threads is always so amusing. Clearly Agent Orange didn't think the threat was impotent if he crawled on his knees to negotiation table hastened by dire predictions of impending economic collapse but you somehow think it was "impotent" ? Astonishing :)

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