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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by parl_match »

SenHeng wrote: post #470
parl_match wrote: post #456

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That's a fundamental misunderstanding of why they're going in on hydrogen so hard - it's something they can generate domestically and without geopolitical implications. If there is a war with china or in the middle east, hydrogen vehicles are somewhat immune to oil or rare earth spikes. They will likely never roll out hydrogen power in any large capacity but the capability will be there if they need it

If we get into an actual shooting war with China, I don't think there's enough hydrogen generating facilities to make much of a difference. If maybe 20% of vehicles on the road were using hydrogen, maybe? Considering how much money and effort both Toyota and Honda have poured into trying to kick start a hydrogen economy over the past decade and a half, and how much EV technology was evolved over the same time span, w…

I will say that I think they have failed at the goals that they stated.

> would it not make more sense to switch to the technology that actually is proven and actually has consumer demand for?

fwiw they started this policy in the 90s, and i definitely agree that they should think about alternatives

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by olyjohn »

drnick1 wrote: post #604
neya wrote: post #453

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Most people including the author think more software = premium/better. But as software engineers, we know better. That's not the case at all. More software = more control by everyone else except you. Manufacturers. Governments. For this reason, I always avoid cars with big flashy LCD screens that are central to controlling the cars accessories like sunroof, AC and other electricals. The other issue is support. So man…

> Finally, there's the issue of privacy. Most manufacturers contract with analytics vendors to send your data back to them. You can't even turn it off. You absolutely can. Pull the fuse of the cellular modem aka "telematics unit" or even completely remove it. Some vehicles don't have a separate fuse, in which case you will need to physically unplug the modem. Do your research and don't buy any car where this can't be…

Yeah unless its integrated into another module. Or you remove or unplug it, and suddenly it throws an annoying error because a module is missing. Or even your car goes into limp mode because of some kind of weird cascade failure.

There might be some cars this works on now, but it's going to be harder and harder to do over time as things get more integrated, and the more they realize they want that sweet location data money.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by olyjohn »

nottorp wrote: post #806
fetassdd wrote: post #687

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That’s nonsense. Tesla screen for example is $1800 Australian + GST. Cheap? No. But not overly expensive all things considered.

How much does it cost to replace a broken physical a/c button?

And if you can't find said factory button available anywhere, you can usually replace it with any cheap-ass generic button or switch.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by drnick1 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #730
drnick1 wrote: post #604

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> Finally, there's the issue of privacy. Most manufacturers contract with analytics vendors to send your data back to them. You can't even turn it off. You absolutely can. Pull the fuse of the cellular modem aka "telematics unit" or even completely remove it. Some vehicles don't have a separate fuse, in which case you will need to physically unplug the modem. Do your research and don't buy any car where this can't be…

Any sites which describe this across models? What else do you lose out on?

Not that I know of, but I have seen tutorials on Youtube for popular makes and models, and the issue is frequently discussed on car forums.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by drnick1 »

olyjohn wrote: post #862
drnick1 wrote: post #604

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> Finally, there's the issue of privacy. Most manufacturers contract with analytics vendors to send your data back to them. You can't even turn it off. You absolutely can. Pull the fuse of the cellular modem aka "telematics unit" or even completely remove it. Some vehicles don't have a separate fuse, in which case you will need to physically unplug the modem. Do your research and don't buy any car where this can't be…

Yeah unless its integrated into another module. Or you remove or unplug it, and suddenly it throws an annoying error because a module is missing. Or even your car goes into limp mode because of some kind of weird cascade failure. There might be some cars this works on now, but it's going to be harder and harder to do over time as things get more integrated, and the more they realize they want that sweet location data…

If it comes to that, an alternative hack would be to replace the LTE antenna by a dummy load.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by ifwinterco »

sathackr wrote: post #554
badc0ffee wrote: post #542

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What is EV particulate? Like brake or tire dust?

yes. it's an argument that since EVs are heavier than fossil-fuel vehicles due to their batteries, that they generate more particulate emissions (brakes/tire dust) than fossil-fuel vehicles. it's a wrong argument, but it's still circulated in groups of factually-challenged people

It's an argument that means you can still say cars are bad even if they're electric, which may be true but also clearly leans into some people's preexisting biases

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by drnick1 »

Nevermark wrote: post #688
drnick1 wrote: post #608

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> I've often thought the touch screen should be replaced by a socket that accepts an iPad, The last thing I need is Apple spying on me when I am driving.

Do you have a car now? A phone? If you are wearing pants you are being tracked right now!

My car does not have a cellular modem in it, and my phone runs GrapheneOS. I use airplane mode extensively and rotate SIMs regularly. Data brokers aren't getting any anything from me.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by drnick1 »

kakacik wrote: post #686
drnick1 wrote: post #604

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> Finally, there's the issue of privacy. Most manufacturers contract with analytics vendors to send your data back to them. You can't even turn it off. You absolutely can. Pull the fuse of the cellular modem aka "telematics unit" or even completely remove it. Some vehicles don't have a separate fuse, in which case you will need to physically unplug the modem. Do your research and don't buy any car where this can't be…

Well thats a nice theory but do you yourself give guarantee to all models that they will keep working after such potentially destructive 'hack' ? I don't think so. Its trivial for manufacturer to make it stop working because of ie some security blah and just having a big warning on the screen to go to the repair shop. So a typical internet advice - don't listen to it uncritically, or not at all.

> Well thats a nice theory but do you yourself give guarantee to all models that they will keep working after such potentially destructive 'hack' ?

The mod is reversible, I don't see how this could ever be an issue. But as I said, do your research beforehand.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by smsm42 »

simondotau wrote: post #682
smsm42 wrote: post #632

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Cars have software. But I don't think cars are software. Can I apply a software update to make my Honda Accord into Tesla or Dodge Ram? > The only difference between a Tesla and an economy car from Stellantis is whether the software is well written or not. Is that actually true? I mean, assume I have access to all software in the world and all IP lawyers got kidnapped by aliens - could I just write a software for Ste…

> Cars have software. But I don't think cars are software. Can I apply a software update to make my Honda Accord into Tesla or Dodge Ram? That's a disingenuously literal misinterpretation of what I said. I wasn't saying that a Tesla and some economy car are identical, only that they have in common the characteristic of being defined at their core by software. It should go without saying that software alone can't turn…

> I wasn't saying that a Tesla and some economy car are identical,

You literally said:

> The only difference between a Tesla and an economy car from Stellantis is whether the software is well written or not.

You didn't say "one of many differences". You said "the only difference". Maybe you wanted to say something else, and you still can, but you can't claim it's my fault you said that.

> It should go without saying that software alone can't turn a Cherokee into a Model Y for the same reason that software alone can't turn a HomePod into an Apple Watch.

Which invalidates your statements that the cars "are software". They are more than software. They are a complex combinations of software and hardware, each of them having its part - and, obviously, if one of the parts is bad, it makes the car worse.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by shiroiuma »

bluGill wrote: post #491
shiroiuma wrote: post #385

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>But that future will not arrive everywhere at the same point in time and Norway is very far ahead of the rest of the world due to a fairly unique set of circumstances: exporting your own oil and gas to be able to have a 'clean' (and up to recently heavily subsidized) transportation network is in a way just a gigantic bookkeeping trick. Not really. Even in a hypothetical future where all road vehicles are electric, w…

Cars are the vast majortity of oil use though. The rest is more than a rounding error but not much more.

Air travel and shipping are more than a "rounding error".

https://personal.ems.psu.edu/~pisupati/ACSOutreach/Petroleum...

Admittedly this data is a little old (20 years), but today's numbers probably aren't that different. It shows, out of US petroleum production, that only 47% is used for gasoline. 8% is used for jet fuel, 22% for diesel and heating oil, 5% for coke, 3% for asphalt, etc. 53% is not a "rounding error".

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