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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by frm88 »

haunter wrote: post #298

Doesn’t mean anything when even one of the first rule is not enforced at all > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics

Politicisation has increased dramatically since the early 2000's in about every field imaginable, from intelligence analysis to technical inventions. The fact that we cannot have an electric car without the owner of the corporation expressing political opinions on twitter is a prime example of how there is politicisation creep in almost everything [0].

One particularly egregious example (to me) of this is the politicisation of science [1] by various factions like governments, advocacy groups etc. because if we lose the integrity of science bad things will happen.

All that to say, the line has blurred so much, I highly doubt you can separate these topics again. HN reflects that as much as any other site.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politicisation

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politicization_of_science

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by superultra »

zmef wrote: post #857

This policy is incredibly misguided, ableist, neo‑Luddite, technophobic hogwash. Technologically mediated communication has been with us almost as long as communication itself. We already accept writing, printing, telegraphy, phones, keyboards, spellcheckers, compilers, search engines, and autocomplete as legitimate augmentations of human thought. Drawing the line at this particular class of tools feels arbitrary and…

I think you’re missing the point and approaching this with a myopically binary perspective.

Just because you consider AI an interface in line with, perhaps, a paintbrush, typewriter, or spell checker, doesn’t mean it automatically is. It may even be true for you, and not for others. That’s the myopic part.

The binary part is that simply because you see it as an interface, it doesn’t have effects that are different than the interface of a brush. You wouldn’t get very far arguing with a judge that 80mph over the speed limit is exactly the same as 5mph over the speed limit.

Or, where would you draw the line. Is hiring someone to write your hacker news comments still your comment? Or what about spam bots? Are they not also an “interface?” Is banning spam bots outrightly also “ableist” by you?

But also, we have plenty of both media philosophical musing and evidence based data that shows that while mediums may not BE the message, they absolutely do affect the message.

In this case HN is simply saying that the process of humans generating words that we type onto a screen is the valuable part of communicating that we want to maintain. And that using AI is a bridge too far in losing the effort and output from that process.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by lifthrasiir »

theshrike79 wrote: post #440

I've written tens of thousands of lines of code, autogenerated documentation with LLMs and use AI Agents daily. But when I argue on the internet, it's always a 100% me. And if I get a wiff of LLM-speak from whoever I'm wrestling in the mud with at the moment, they'll instantly get an entry in my plonk-file. I can talk with ChatGPT on my own thank you very much, I don't need a human in between. "But my is bad... that'…

> So was mine when I started arguing with strangers on the internet. It's better now.

That takes (much) time, though. I took about a decade to be comfortable about that.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by larodi »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #858

It's quite funny how native speakers can recognise the AI voice writing or speaking their tongue. As a Polish man I am repulsed when I hear AI generated Polish voice in a commercial, but can't see problems in AI generated English speech

given the content of the text is of significant importance, it would matter very little the tone it is presented with.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by larodi »

caditinpiscinam wrote: post #745

We've all heard the phrase "the sum of all human knowledge". I've been feeling more and more that generative AI represents the average of all human knowledge. Which has its place. But a future in which all thought and creativity is averaged away is a bleak one. It's the heat death of thought.

pooling as it is called, is, well the same as averaging. has nothing to do with swimming really. it happens all the time in latent space. it is a tool, not a side effect.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Havoc »

That’s fine. I’m not really bothered by this either way in hn context

Only really irritated by the ultra low effort “here is a raw copy paste of what my LLM said on this topic” comments. idk how people think that’s helpful or desired

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by davidguetta »

kjuulh wrote: post #571

I am 100% behind this. I've been browsing hackernews since I started in tech, it is the only forum i regularly browse, and partake in. Simply because the quality of submissions and conversations are so high. There has been more AI related articles this part year, and it only seems ramping. I personally haven't found the AI part of the comments as big of a deal but dang and tom might be doing more than I realize on th…

I've been on HN for 15 years and most of the times 80% of the content is not interesting to me, but i come for the 20%

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by larodi »

Havoc wrote: post #866

That’s fine. I’m not really bothered by this either way in hn context Only really irritated by the ultra low effort “here is a raw copy paste of what my LLM said on this topic” comments. idk how people think that’s helpful or desired

in reality, it is perhaps indistinguishable. like - if I take this whole page of comments, feed it into... say Opus latest 1M, and tell it "have my text tweaked in a way to please these guys' apparent aesthetically preferences", or even "make my writing sound human in the sense all these guys do", then I cannot see how anyone would recognize it.

unless tis signed before uploading, like this is even enforceable?

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by bmacho »

watwut wrote: post #842
uni_baconcat wrote: post #754

For quite a while, I like use LLM to refine and fix my grammar issue, but my colleagues and professors reminds me that it was way too obvious. They said they can tolerate some mistakes in my words, but no tolerance for AI generated content.

If it was obvious, then it was doing much more then just fixing your grammar.

That, or he has been writing LLM-style all this time but with bad grammar.

Also to the people saying that they just let LLM replace phrases: that's the worst you can do. LLM style lies mostly in the phrases, they come from a narrow selection that they tend to use

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