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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

sosomoxie wrote: post #757
judahmeek wrote: post #267

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That's oversimplifying. Iranian regime-allied forces were a big part of why Iraq was such a quagmire. The balance of power in the Middle East is shifting from the Sunni~Shia schism that it once was. Most of the remaining powers are willing to actually engage in diplomacy with Israel & prefer secular groups to Islamist groups. There's still personality conflicts, such as the one growing between the heads of Saudi Arab…

Iraq was a quagmire because the US attacked them for no reason at all other than to further Israel's interests. We have no business in the Middle East. Period.

We went into Iraq because we had to station troops in Saudi Arabia in order to defend them against Iraq, and having US troops in 'the holy land' led to Osama Bin Laden leading to 9-11. People say the two aren't connected but if you learn the context at the time they were, just not in the basic way people want to understand situations.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by woodruffw »

rayiner wrote: post #798
woodruffw wrote: post #765

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Bush’s approval rating benefited from the US being attacked, and then responding. Trump has the order wrong; preemptively attacking countries (even bad ones) doesn’t poll very well with Americans. (This is ahead of Trump’s base being isolationist; it’s not even clear who wants this besides conventional hawks.)

I think it’s just wagging the dog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog . Combined with the fact that the media will be confused about how to respond. You’ll have Iranian diaspora celebrating, like Venezuelans did after the capture of Maduro, making it impossible for the media to frame this simply in terms of “Trump is racist.” As a result, the whole thing will get memory holed, just like the Venezuela attack.

That’s a very different argument than it being similar to 9/11!

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by [deleted] »

lm28469 wrote: post #777
dotancohen wrote: post #600

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Are you suggesting that the US should appease Muslim ideology, under threat of terror?

> Muslim idealogy If you can't differentiate muslims from islamists you can probably keep your comments for yourself...

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by hu3 »

cogman10 wrote: post #859
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #751

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This Prophet believed/taught that school girls should be raped before they are executed for not wearing hats so that they can't get into heaven (believing God would judge a child for being raped). Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality.

He's not a prophet and he didn't teach that. You don't need to lie about someone you don't like.

I have no horse in this race but I did find some daunting google results about that.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by belorn »

arunabha wrote: post #316
Uhhrrr wrote: post #305

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Look at the number of covid deaths in countries other than the US and consider updating your news diet.

You do realize that the US had _one of the highest_ per capita Covid deaths amongst developed nations?

Excess death from Covid is a non-trivial topic. Sweden had a very different approach to covid response, and yet had a very average number of excess death. The post-covid investigation provider some clear insight of what was primary causes to excess deaths, and yet very little of those conclusions has became common knowledge.

The primary group that had excess death caused from covid was to people living in homes for elderly care, and the primary cause was a lack of initial process and gear by people who worked at those locations. They were not given enough time to keep up a higher standard of sanitation (often given less than 15 minutes between patients), and protective gear was lacking. They also heavily depended on mass transportation which was a primary location for the virus to spread. A better early response in that sector, including shutdown/restriction of mass transportation would had saved many elderly people from early death.

To note, this had nothing to do with masks, vaccines, or shutdown of schools, which is the main points usually brought up in popular discourse. Sweden would have had one of the lowest number of deaths, with the exact same use of masks/vaccines/shutdowns as it did, as long as the response in elderly care had been done better.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by hu3 »

yanko wrote: post #827

Two aircraft carriers just to kill an 86 years old man in a democratic way 10000 km home away as proof of the empire sunset

That's one way to put it.

Another view can be: ending a 36 years long autoritarian, human rights infriging, regime with very few casualities.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by cogman10 »

hu3 wrote: post #864
cogman10 wrote: post #859

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He's not a prophet and he didn't teach that. You don't need to lie about someone you don't like.

I have no horse in this race but I did find some daunting google results about that.

I'd love to see a link to them. My cursory googles aren't finding it.

Look, not trying to defend the guy, but I don't like this sort of hyperbole. People have the wrong view on what Iran is like. It's ran by religious fundamentalists, which is bad, but it's also probably one of the more progressive muslim theocracies in the region. People tend to mix up shit that Saudi Arabia does with Iran.

In particular, Iran has a very progressive view on education. They have one of the best educated populations in the middle east (men and women).

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Post by sieabahlpark »

joshstrange wrote: post #521
throwawayheui57 wrote: post #156

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They threw the justice and civility when they murdered people on the street. That ship has sailed and the party who's responsible for this escalation is the government.

It’s sad that I can’t be sure which government you are talking about right now, Iran or the USA. I’m aware the scale of “murdered people on the street” is stark and so you are almost certainly talking about Iran but what ICE is doing (and the clear extrapolation) fits your comment IMHO.

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by sieabahlpark »

bluGill wrote: post #461
tastyface wrote: post #312

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Well, I imagine there are a lot of people like that in Iran right now.

There are. There are also a lot who are celebrating in iran. In the us people who voted against trump accept he won and still believe his term will end as scheduled.

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by sosomoxie »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #861
sosomoxie wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iraq was a quagmire because the US attacked them for no reason at all other than to further Israel's interests. We have no business in the Middle East. Period.

We went into Iraq because we had to station troops in Saudi Arabia in order to defend them against Iraq, and having US troops in 'the holy land' led to Osama Bin Laden leading to 9-11. People say the two aren't connected but if you learn the context at the time they were, just not in the basic way people want to understand situations.

That would help make my argument that we don't belong in the Middle East. I think people should learn more about Paul Wolfowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
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