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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by ai-christianson »

Gareth321 wrote: post #822
corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

It was surprisingly difficult for me to understand the use case as well. Here is my best attempt at an elevator pitch: At present your memories are proprietary data in whichever LLM you use. ChatGPT keeps all your conversations and output and data forever. What if you don't like GPT 5.2? What if you want to use other models as well? Or use the best model for the job? OpenClaw gives you that ability. Your memories and…

Gobii did always-on, connected to comms channels (sms, email), full computer/headed browser 8 months ago, in a much more secure and k8s-native way.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by javier123454321 »

corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

> I already have apps that allow me to message the model server running on my home lab.

well, then you might not have a need for it. It's just that but it also has a built-in chron system and memory, but really it's just an easy to install client to a home lab server that you can interact with via communication apps.

You might have had a moment of relization when you set up your home lab server and got an interface to communicate with it. Its a cool way of interfacing with a computer. This has just reached more people that are having that realization.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by javier123454321 »

infecto wrote: post #830
kristopolous wrote: post #816

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not a new thing. Agents coding their own mcp servers I saw in the original demo of MCP when it was announced in 2024. The other thing is part of the plan&act mode paradigm that plandex also started in 2024. I'm not a cynic, I just follow the scene very closely. This stuff might be new to you, but it's not new. There's literally nothing that this thing is doing that I haven't been doing for a few years already…

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I mean, that's a quality of conversation that you can reliably expect in Hacker News.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by javier123454321 »

krzyk wrote: post #829
corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

I had exact same issue with it. I don't get it. Integration of LLM with chating services is simple, how does it change anything?

It's simple if you've done that work before, or if you consider yourself little more technical, this is a turnkey solution that does that.

I don't understand why people use Gmail. Just get a VPS and set up a SMTP server. Why would anyone use Squarespace you can code an HTML page in a day and upload it to a static site hosting service.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by hrpnk »

suprjami wrote: post #558
kzahel wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is basically obvious to anyone using one of these but they're just they like the utility trade off like sure it may leak and exfiltrate everything somewhere but the utility of these tools is enough where they just deal with that risk.

It feels to me there are plenty of people running these because "just trust the AI bro" who are one hallucination away from having their entire bank account emptied.

Exactly, I've seen people who bought a Mac Mini and ended up running claw against a claude subscription. Completely misunderstand the point of local models. Plus, there was more hype about running claw way cheaper on Raspberry Pi which cost the stock price of Raspberry maker to skyrocket.

Some of the comments here show that technical people set these things up for non-technical people, which is just one step away from a misstep. Time will show whether this is similar in behavior to the "I can run it" mindset that people had with local models before. A small dopamine hit to see "it can be done" in order to end up a cloud service in the long run.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by javier123454321 »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #804
corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

you give an LLM control of your computer. Yesterday I told it to make a website and it opened the browser, did a bunch of steps, (I did have to authenticate). But then it connected some html on my computer with a server with google sheets. Consider its a massive security risk. You are giving it full access to everything your computer can do. (Potentially, you can limit stuff)

Yeah, for a sophisticated developer with technical background, maybe the idea of setting up a messaging app that lets you talk to a home server is not a crazy thing. But this is for the most part a lot of normies realizing that that's possible and that you don't have to be highly technical in order to achieve it. And opening the door to doing anything computable interfaced via WhatsApp audio messages.

If you cant see why that captures the imagination of people, you should look at the world with more wander. Heck try reading poetry.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by game_the0ry »

elzbardico wrote: post #867

Since his times at Tesla, Karpathy, despite his talents, has always been a industrial hype bullshit generator.

I work at a company that is forcing us to use AI as much as possible for our coding work. I did 1 month's of work in 1 day last week. A few hiccups, but the slop works as expected. From where I sit, the hype is real.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by javier123454321 »

CMay wrote: post #764

This feels like the 2026 version of "blog". A thing that didn't need a name and the name it now has contains "out of touch" qualities to it, but it spread easier under a name that got popularized so it wins out in evolutionary terms? Unlike blog though, claw is camping on an existing word and it won't surprise me if people settle on some other word once a more popular, professional and security conscious variant exis…

I do consider it unique to interface with your home lab server or personal vps through a messaging. The first time I did a version of that, I was completely blown away by that concept. I guess I just never thought about being able to talk to my computer in English via chat.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

mikkupikku wrote: post #814
aeve890 wrote: post #639

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Managers will be starting to ask for claws in the development flow, claws for automation, etc. Another flashy trend everyone will have to endure because an influencer is hyping the tech. It happened in 2024/2025. Every manager demanding use of "vibe coding", because they bought the lie that is what everyone is doing and is the best thing since sliced bread and whatnot. Karpathy comes up with a new shit to hype, and e…

Stop taking work so seriously. You're getting paid to deal with other people's nonsense, and if you're in tech you're getting paid better than most to deal with less than most. The next time you're about to have a cry session about your meanie boss asking you to use AI, try to remember that you're allowed to walk straight out the door, without so much as two weeks notice if the request is really so offensive to you.…

> You're getting paid to deal with other people's nonsense, and if you're in tech you're getting paid better than most to deal with less than most.

The problem is that you are paid for two things that are often contradictory to each other

1. writing good code

2. dealing with other people's nonsense

Many good coders really care about 1, so of course they are complaining.

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Concerning the argument that tech pays so well: this is very US-specific; in many other countries working in tech is rather some job that may pay the bills, but not more. So people who work there often do it because they are insanely passionate about programming.

This again, as I already outlined above, means that they really care about good code, and if "other people's nonsense" means sacrificing this, it will make the respective employees really furious.

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