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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by hermanzegerman »

browningstreet wrote: post #630
TheDong wrote: post #519

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Presumably you also would agree that it's fair if Chrome, Windows, and Lenovo all charged me 30% each for using Patreon via Chrome+Windows on a thinkpad, right? They're doing about as much to facilitate my use of Patreon as Apple is. This isn't like a mall at all. This is like a web browser, where apps are webpages, and Apple is insisting that the contents of that webpage are something they can dictate all payment te…

Chrome, Windows and Lenovo don't have the payment system baked in, with all the consumer protections that come with it. I'm not entirely pro-Apple percentage in this argument, but I think people often dismiss the magical thing that Apple created with the app store and their payment/subscription system. The rest of the world keeps ripping users off, and Apple's walled garden is as protected a thing as it gets. I've go…

I can cancel easily my subscriptions ik PayPal with ohne click, without them taking 30%

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by jacquesm »

siavosh wrote: post #854
jacquesm wrote: post #848

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This nonsense has been parroted so often by now there should be a name for it. And I'll be happy to prove you wrong: there are many things that Apple could do but hasn't done yet that would make them money and yet nobody is suing them for that. For instance they could make the cut 35% or 50% and if they don't then shareholders would sue. But they won't.

I’m not sure we’re actually disagreeing. Boards are expected to maximize long-term shareholder value, not mechanically maximize short-term revenue at every opportunity. Sometimes that means pushing harder on extraction; other times it means holding back because of regulatory risk, developer backlash, or brand damage. The claim isn’t that Apple must raise fees to 35% or be sued—clearly that’s not how fiduciary duty wo…

No, the claim is that if a CEO would make the decision not to pursue a particular revenue stream that the company would be sued. This is bullshit.

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Post by hermanzegerman »

direwolf20 wrote: post #714
gyulai wrote: post #492

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> I certainly think it’s incredibly false marketing for Apple to claim I bought an iphone, when in reality I paid upfront for essentially AOL. I wonder if that has ever been tried against Apple or a similar company in a court of law, because I think there might be real merit there. One would have to get a bunch of people together claiming a refund on the purchase price on the grounds that ownership hasn't been transf…

You have the legal right to do anything to your iPhone that you please, except for DMCA circumvention. Apple, cleverly, designs it so you can't do very much without DMCA circumvention. But it is the government's fault for this loophole, not Apple's.

DMCA is only a thing in the US.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by hermanzegerman »

dwaite wrote: post #801
londons_explore wrote: post #516

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The EU has the right approach. Don't try to legislate exactly what is a fair/unfair amount of profit to make - change the rules of the game by requiring third party marketplaces and payment platforms so apple has to lower rates or lose every app into a third party store. Apple can easily say "Use our store exclusively and you get our security/privacy guarantees. Go outside our store and you're in the wild west". App…

Several years in, I don't believe Apple has lowered rates at all. If the EU has the right approach, then they still do not have the right implementation.

They did lower them to 15% due to regulatory pressure for smaller vendors. And for compliance with EU DSA, they've tried countless malicious compliance efforts, that have been struck down again and again.

The only reason they haven't been smacked with a billion dollar fine for their Bullshit (Core Technology Fee)yet, is because of Trump.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by ryukoposting »

nitwit005 wrote: post #756
ryukoposting wrote: post #654

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I use the Patreon app. It's great. I get to see stuff from my favorite creatives weeks (sometimes months) early, and ad-free. Since many of them are youtubers and I don't pay google to show me less ads, this is a huge value prop. And, the Patreon app can cast videos to my TV, so it's really a complete experience.

I don't see anything there that isn't also a valid description of the Patreon website. If your TV supports AirPlay, you just tap the icon on a video in Safari.

My TV doesn't support Airplay, and I have an Android.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by stavros »

chii wrote: post #447
SwtCyber wrote: post #414

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What really makes it uncomfortable is that Apple isn't just a neutral marketplace. They control the OS, the distribution channel, and the payment rails, so creators and platforms like Patreon can't realistically opt out

They could opt out - by sticking to web platforms. Apple cannot charge for that. However, apple does attempt to gimp the web platforms on mobile to "subtly" push for apps.

They can opt out like you can opt out of using a phone. Sure, you won't die, but you won't have much of a social life either.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by siavosh »

jacquesm wrote: post #862
siavosh wrote: post #854

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I’m not sure we’re actually disagreeing. Boards are expected to maximize long-term shareholder value, not mechanically maximize short-term revenue at every opportunity. Sometimes that means pushing harder on extraction; other times it means holding back because of regulatory risk, developer backlash, or brand damage. The claim isn’t that Apple must raise fees to 35% or be sued—clearly that’s not how fiduciary duty wo…

No, the claim is that if a CEO would make the decision not to pursue a particular revenue stream that the company would be sued. This is bullshit.

To everything you can find exceptions, no one's arguing what you're claiming. And you have to read between the lines here, a board doesn't have to remove a CEO for a decision, what I'm trying to point out is the CEO knows their job, and the board knows their job. Just like there's things you know if you do you won't get a good pay raise or bonus (or gasp, get fired), the CEO knows how to avoid that in the long term. The board also knows what they must do over the long term to keep their nice board seat. No one has to get sued to get the message.

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Post by nyantaro1 »

vlod wrote: post #551
ethanrutherford wrote: post #23

Always hated apple for their putrid business practices. Add this to the pile.

I've been trying to find a decent 16'' laptop (to replace my thinkpad x1 carbon). Been running linux (popos) for donkey years and I entertained the thought I should go back to Apple and get the MacbookPro-16 (which is probably the best laptop you can buy imho). Then I remembered all this crap that Apple does and dismissed it.

A few years ago I got the m1 macbook air (lovely hardware!). Some software update fully bricked it, which is really annoying already. Then I found out the only way to restore it was to connect it to another macbook. That was it for me.

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Post by bigyabai »

trimbo wrote: post #849
bigyabai wrote: post #744

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It was 2008; "big box" software was largely seen as obsolete to the vast majority of developers. Marketing was done online, and the benefit of investing in retail had stopped outweighing the consequences. Online updates quickly became the norm, and service features supplanted point-of-sale business model (much like Apple's double-dip into microtransaction profits). Apple chose 30% because they knew they weren't a ret…

> It was 2008; "big box" software was largely seen as obsolete to the vast majority of developers. Well, I'm just reporting it as I understood their decision in the moment. I was working on The Sims at that time, and I assure you, retailers still mattered to us bigly.

And what you quoted is my opinion as a consumer. Blizzard got it working in 1996, Valve figured it out in 2003 - the industry was moving on.

EA was an outlier, and by the time they capitulated and started Origin it was so bad that people regret signing up for the service. GoG didn't have this issue, Valve didn't have that issue, EA did.

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Post by jacquesm »

siavosh wrote: post #867
jacquesm wrote: post #862

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No, the claim is that if a CEO would make the decision not to pursue a particular revenue stream that the company would be sued. This is bullshit.

To everything you can find exceptions, no one's arguing what you're claiming. And you have to read between the lines here, a board doesn't have to remove a CEO for a decision, what I'm trying to point out is the CEO knows their job, and the board knows their job. Just like there's things you know if you do you won't get a good pay raise or bonus (or gasp, get fired), the CEO knows how to avoid that in the long term.…

No one has to get sued because nobody will get sued and if they were sued they would win the suit.

https://www.legislate.ai/blog/does-the-law-require-public-co...

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