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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by florkbork »

account42 wrote: post #777
idle_zealot wrote: post #656

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> to follow federal agents around, harass them, and prevent them from doing their jobs. That’s textbook Obstruction of Justice. It is illegal to prevent an officer from doing their job. Filming officiers performing their jobs is not obstruction, even if it does make them uncomfortable. If it makes their jobs harder that's only because they know what they're doing is unpopular and don't want to be known to have done i…

> despite majority support among their constituency A very vocal minority is not a majority.

You are factually wrong.

Jan 23rd General strike, Minnesota: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Downtown... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1ql7eva/mn_01232...

This is not a 'vocal minority'.

Oh, that's one blue state; right? What do the rest of Americans think?

> The Economist/YouGov poll, 55 percent of respondents said they had “very little” confidence in ICE, while 16 percent said they have “some” confidence in the agency. Sixteen percent said they have “quite a lot” of confidence in ICE and 14 percent said they have “a great deal.”

Source poll: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor...

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by DangitBobby »

mikkupikku wrote: post #281
epistasis wrote: post #257

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And importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will b…

If those shooters don't get presidential pardons, they're going to get prosecuted sooner or later. No statute of limitations for murder, right?

They're wearing masks. Have they been identified?

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by craftkiller »

nosuchthing wrote: post #618
craftkiller wrote: post #43

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> willingly unlock their phones Or they are running any mainstream iPhone or Android phone, they've unlocked the phone at least once since their last reboot, and the police have access to graykey. Not sure what the current state of things is, since we rely on leaked documents, but my take-away from the 2024 leaks was GrapheneOS Before First Unlock (BFU) is the only defense.

Where has there been any allegations iPhone before first unlock has been bypassed? GrapheneOS isn't quite as secure in the real world. Pixels continue to have baseband and OOBConfig exploits that allow pushing zero interaction updates, or system memory access.

Here's the iPhone spreadsheet from the 2024 leak: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qZESd9Zj5HkMZnIjLStS...

It only goes up to iOS 18 since that was the latest version at the time.

Here is an article about the leaks: https://archive.ph/JTLIU

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by disposition2 »

tuetuopay wrote: post #772
thaumaturgy wrote: post #723

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People are experiencing wildly different Americas depending on their circumstances and level of political involvement. If you're a tech worker and you still have a job and you think AI is pretty cool and you don't follow news very closely, things seem okay...ish. You are maybe dimly aware of some social problems, but they're all somebody else's problems. If you're one of the many many thousands of people who have bee…

> in one of our concentration camps As a European, I find the use of "concentration camp" to be a very strong word. Trump and its administration are often touted as a Nazi and such. How much of this is hyperbole, and how much of this is real? Nazis were systemic against a religion and disabilities. They made systemic ways of exterminating those deemed "unpure". The concentration camps had gas chambers to kill people.…

I think maybe OP was using the traditional definition of the word, and hopefully not trying to imply we have Treblinka’s across the US.

But there is some cause for concern regarding the detention centers and the lack of oversight.

For example, even Congress members have to provide 7 days of notice if they wish to visit a center [1]. So, the only real oversight is from the executive. And these centers are often ran by private companies somewhat notorious for bad conditions and lawsuits related to bad conditions / civil rights violations.

Here’s a story about where we’re holding families and children:

https://www.mprnews.org/episode/2026/01/27/inside-the-dilley...

1. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-facilities-homeland-securit...

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by boppo1 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #758
glaugh wrote: post #596

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Do you mean just technically trivial? I agree with that. If you mean more broadly trivial, I see that quite differently. An administration that has repeatedly abused its power in order to intimidate and punish political opponents is opening an investigation into grassroots political opponents. That feels worth being concerned about.

The FBI infiltrating political groups of all stripes is to be assumed by default at this point. A particularly high profile example would be the plot to kidnap a state governor a few years ago. As to actually acting on what they learn, within this context yeah that would be troubling.

>particularly high profile example would be the plot to kidnap a state governor a few years ago.

iirc that was something more than infiltration. The FBI found an extremist loser who lived in a basement, egged him on, helped him network & gave him resources. Without them, he probably would have been thinking really hard about it, not much more.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by pydry »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #758
glaugh wrote: post #596

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Do you mean just technically trivial? I agree with that. If you mean more broadly trivial, I see that quite differently. An administration that has repeatedly abused its power in order to intimidate and punish political opponents is opening an investigation into grassroots political opponents. That feels worth being concerned about.

The FBI infiltrating political groups of all stripes is to be assumed by default at this point. A particularly high profile example would be the plot to kidnap a state governor a few years ago. As to actually acting on what they learn, within this context yeah that would be troubling.

They've been doing it from day 1.

It's how they found about Martin Luther King's affairs and what led them to write him a letter telling him to kill himself.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by DecoySalamander »

mullingitover wrote: post #684
tastyfreeze wrote: post #653

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Use of 2nd amendment rights to combat government overreach is an outright declaration of rebellion. Cross that line and you are no longer playing rebel. If you dont have enough people behind you it will not go well.

The second amendment as a serious option for a regime reset button was always a fantasy. This federal government would happily take a lesson from the Chechen wars and use ballistic missiles against a rebelling city if the chips were down. Any 2A fans have their own Patriot missile defense systems? No?

USA is not Russia. I don't think an order could ever be made to level a "rebellious" city, and even if it were, it would never be followed.

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Post by ga_to »

simianparrot wrote: post #856
thaumaturgy wrote: post #723

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People are experiencing wildly different Americas depending on their circumstances and level of political involvement. If you're a tech worker and you still have a job and you think AI is pretty cool and you don't follow news very closely, things seem okay...ish. You are maybe dimly aware of some social problems, but they're all somebody else's problems. If you're one of the many many thousands of people who have bee…

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Are those not people? Right into the 'subhuman' rhetoric?

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

boppo1 wrote: post #865
fc417fc802 wrote: post #758

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI infiltrating political groups of all stripes is to be assumed by default at this point. A particularly high profile example would be the plot to kidnap a state governor a few years ago. As to actually acting on what they learn, within this context yeah that would be troubling.

>particularly high profile example would be the plot to kidnap a state governor a few years ago. iirc that was something more than infiltration. The FBI found an extremist loser who lived in a basement, egged him on, helped him network & gave him resources. Without them, he probably would have been thinking really hard about it, not much more.

That's basically the FBI's MO.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terro...

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