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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by throw8383833jj »

anon7000 wrote: post #553
subpixel wrote: post #551

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.…

And crucially, many of those bad foods can be pretty addictive. They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more. So it’s not surprising many people struggle to change that habit when the food ecosystem is working against you. Junk food both tastes better and is easier to eat than home-cooking a very healthy meal. You’re not exactly set up for success here.

Also, these ultra processed foods set up unrealistic expectations of what "good" food should taste like. years of eating UFP ruins the taste buds. So, once you start eating real foods like whole grains, beans, fruits and vegetables (especially if its cooked without truckloads of oil), you think it doesn't taste good when actually the problem is your ruined taste buds.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by mmooss »

sfn42 wrote: post #813
accidentallfact wrote: post #804

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It also cites a study which says that the average loss is 5%. That isn't what most people imagine as "highly effective". Weight also doesn't tell the whole story. The people don't get any better, they get (more) starved in addition to staying obese. It's a disease with another cause, hunger is only a symptom. Too much money has been wasted on proving and "educating" people that it's just overeating, while there is an…

This is a load of bullshit man. Even the article you linked describes lying to his friends' parents to get a second dinner, being unable to have just one cookie etc. The only way to get fat is to eat too much and anyone who really eats too much will get fat. There's a huge amount of people who simply lie or are ignorant about their food intake. Fat people falsely claiming they hardly eat anything but can't lose weigh…

That's not actually what the evidence says, overwhelmingly.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

array_key_first wrote: post #532
phil21 wrote: post #421

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I grew up in a poor neighborhood. Busy doing what, exactly? This comment is so out of touch it must be a joke right? At least I hope so. Far more time was spent in front of the TV than any other activity by far by my peers and their families. Moving to a more middle class area opened my eyes in how many other options people had to do with their time, and how much time and effort was spent maintaining their lifestyles…

Well, uh, working. The less you make per hour of work means the more hours you need to maintain a normal standard of living. Obviously there's variance in standards of living, but wealthier people don't typically work two or three jobs. Poor people do, I've met people who do. The reality is that at 12 dollars an hour, 40 hours is just not gonna cut it. And it's a little more complicated than even just that. Another r…

I’m pretty sure this has reversed in recent decades. Wealthy people are far more likely to work long hours than the poor.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by borroka »

There is a mix of culture and food at play here. Most people, left to their own devices, without cultural pressure, are lazy, unproductive, and slovenly.

We can see that with food: as soon as the shaming of people for being fat weakened, as it happened primarily in the US and then in the Western world at large, people started to indulge without guardrails.

We can see that with clothing and appearance: people started to dress slovenly, preferring comfort to being presentable and well-put together.

We can see that with "productivity": people started doomscrolling for hours or watching hours upon hours of life lived by other people, instead of living their lives.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by kjkjadksj »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #449
giuliomagnifico wrote: post #7

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After discontinuation of Ozempic, people start to gain the weight again (and buy again more food), that’s why the spending changes again.

Processed foods are much cheaper per calorie than "healthy" options. GLP-1 helped me kick my cravings for junk food, but that just meant I was eating more of the "expensive" stuff. Instead of $0.50 worth of Doritos as a snack, I'm eating $1.50 worth of Greek yogurt and $1.50 worth of fruit.

Are you really only eating $0.50 worth of doritos? Large bags of chips are like $8 now. Imagine 1/16th of that bag which isn’t all that large of course. It would be like four chips.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by kjkjadksj »

kstenerud wrote: post #680
SkyPuncher wrote: post #449

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Processed foods are much cheaper per calorie than "healthy" options. GLP-1 helped me kick my cravings for junk food, but that just meant I was eating more of the "expensive" stuff. Instead of $0.50 worth of Doritos as a snack, I'm eating $1.50 worth of Greek yogurt and $1.50 worth of fruit.

Greek yogurt is super easy (and cheap) to make yourself if you have an instant pot: Put 3L of milk and some starter from your last yogurt batch in the instant pot and press the "yogurt" button. Set an alarm for 10h. Pour the yogurt into a strainer lined with a cheese cloth, and a capture vessel underneath for the whey, then put it in the fridge overnight. You now have 1.5L of Greek yogurt that tastes head and shoulde…

Even easier is to do it in quart mason jars imo after heating the milk to 190f for 30 mins in a pot and allowing to cool to 110f before seeding with bacteria. No need to strain with cheesecloth after incubation, just pour out off the top if desired. 12hrs incubation seems to work best for me. Going from frozen definitely needs 12hr as the bacteria will be slower starting than unfrozen source. You can get away with merely some scrapings off a yogurt ice cube as sufficient for seeding. Seems it can keep for a lot longer than 6 months in freezer fwiw; my freezeback is probably over two years old and still just as viable.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by kjkjadksj »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #316
giuliomagnifico wrote: post #7

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After discontinuation of Ozempic, people start to gain the weight again (and buy again more food), that’s why the spending changes again.

People must be getting prescribed this medication in a vacuum without any corresponding nutritional guidance. I can't see any way of going back to my previous eating habits, mainly because I've really had my eyes opened to how mindless some of my eating was before.

It is no surprise given the issue at hand. I mean it is people who failed at dieting and managing weight using the methods shouted from rooftops for a century or more now. Doctor could say whatever and its clearly in one ear out the other. A lot of these patients are taking it as a silver bullet, a quick fix. If you have to actively manage your diet anyhow while on the drug, the whole issue around diets and exercise the drug attempts to surmount, one wonders at the purpose of the drug.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by whatshisface »

margalabargala wrote: post #595
whatshisface wrote: post #547

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If you eat 1% fewer calories than you burn every day you will die. You will also die if you eat 1% more calories than you burn every day. Is it possible, really, to suggest that the availability of calories was 100% of the daily requirement of our ancestors, and not 99%, or 101%? That is a level of accident that exceeds belief. It is incredible to think this precise balance could be maintained by anything other than…

You will also die if you eat precisely the amount of calories you burn every day. There exists something called a "feedback loop", something common in biology. You would probably find it interesting, you should look it up. Basically, it means that if you try to chronically eat, say, 1% more calories than are burned, your body will try to burn more calories to compensate. I'm not sure I grasp the rest of your comment,…

That is the intended conclusion of my post, that body fat is obviously regulated biologically, and suggestions that changes in obesity rates are due to the increased availability of food (implying that it was regulated by some sort of precise cycle of starvation in the past) or individual choices (implying that most people are measuring portions and keeping a running tally) are in conflict with that.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by kjkjadksj »

pixl97 wrote: post #630
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> That argument has been tried for years and yet it fails nearly 100% of the time. No, it doesn't. Saying that people lack an ability is not the same as claiming that the problem is a simple matter of instilling that ability. > Should we be trying something different than claiming it's a moral issue? It also isn't the same as shaming people or making a moral issue out of it. > Or is that too scientific? The snark is…

>No, it doesn't If you owe the bank $100,000 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $10,000,000,000 that's the banks problem. Obesity is a 'bank problem' issue. When everyone around the globe is massively gaining weight, in every country on this planet that's not in a war or famine, this isn't a human willpower issue. Something has changed, and to ignore that is unscientific.

That doesn’t suggest it isn’t a human willpower issue. If anything it suggests there is a fundamental flaw in human willpower in general. That when we get fat, happy, sedentary, peaceful, that most humans are susceptible to taking it easy, becoming lethargic, chasing easy quick neurotransmitters.

I think the reason I am not obese myself is that I am aware of all this. The hedonic treadmills. Calories in calories out. What processed food actually means. Understanding what the ingredients actually do. Maintaining an active lifestyle.

For me, the way forward was simply education. Once aware of all this, it becomes impossible to live another way. Maybe that is what we should market to people: knowledge that empowers lasting changes to behavior instead of quick fix shots/pills/diets.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by micromacrofoot »

dboreham wrote: post #628
micromacrofoot wrote: post #257

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> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US. hah, they're not using them to get off of processed foods... they're using them to reduce the impact of processed foods

That's not how these drugs work. Think of it in terms of there being a programmable neural network in the gut (and associated brain I/O areas). This network is designed to get the animal to eat appropriately. But food makers figured out ways (by thousands of years of machine learning) to tweak its weights such that it tells the animal to eat too much. GLP-1 works by un-tweaking those weights (not quite: more like it…

Yes, they don't eat as much — but it does not change the habits of what they eat.

> to get off the processed foods killing them

so this isn't really happening, they're not getting off of processed foods, they're just consuming less food overall

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