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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by balops »

signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Windows vista was a good OS. Windows 7 was vista with a new skin. People were just really dumb and didn’t realise vista needed new drivers and when 7 came out all the drivers were written so stuff worked and for some reason it made people think 7 was good and vista was bad.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by shuntress »

Saline9515 wrote: post #114
foxandmouse wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Yes, but Linux is finally in that position, not to mention we're seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.

Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI. It doesn't handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland/X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently). Let's not even talk about the case when you have monitors that have different DPI, something that is handled seamlessly by MacOS, unlike Linux where it feels like a d20 roll de…

Inconsequential minutiae concerning display resolution is absolutely NOT the thing keeping people away from Linux.

Its the "getting every config" right thing that is the problem.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by MaysonL »

If you pay attention to the cursor, instead of aiming at the corner of the window, the UI gives you great feedback of where you should click: when the cursor changes to 2 arrowheads pointing diagonally or orthagonally to the window, resizing is available. Why aim for inside the window? I do think the expanded corner radius of Tahoe sucks badly.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by rick_dalton »

concinds wrote: post #850
rajivjain wrote: post #103

My biggest peeve with macOS Tahoe is the App Launcher redesign. It seems like a clear regression in usability. By moving from a high-density, full-screen experience to a constrained, scrolling window, they’ve increased the interaction cost for launching apps via the mouse. It feels like a 'unification tax. Sacrificing desktop utility to align with non-Desktop modalilties. Does anyone see a functional upside here, or…

> It feels like a 'unification tax. Sacrificing desktop utility to align with non-Desktop modalilties No. Launchpad is just the iOS springboard brought to Mac, with big icons and folders and pages. When it was added people complained of "iOS-ification". This time they made a proper, unique Mac equivalent, integrated in Spotlight and built around the keyboard. It's not as good, the window was too small in 26.0, doesn'…

I think you have it backwards. The new app launcher is unequivocally more like iOS. Like iOS' app launcher it: 1. does not support making your own folders which launchpad had 2. has groups per app type like "Creativity" or "Productivity" which are literally taken verbatim from the iOS app drawer/launcher page. Both designs are obviously inspired by iOS but I don't see it as a mac optimized version at all.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by jama211 »

corndoge wrote: post #782
sumo89 wrote: post #603

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I recently built a windows PC again for gaming. Haven't used one for years. Everything's fresh, loads of room on hard drives etc and still sometimes it'll just be weird and needs a reset. But it doesn't surprise me, it's sad we've come to tolerate that from the world's most popular OS.

As an aside, unless you are playing games that need NT kernel anticheat or are using a store other than steam, odds are the overall experience and performance is better on linux at this point.

Depends on your hardware. On my machine cyberpunk runs at 40fps on Linux but around 60fps on windows. Which is annoying as I’d rather it be better

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by draven »

fzeindl wrote: post #592
iLemming wrote: post #185

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One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing. This is unbelievably preposterous and I just can't stop hating Apple for this crap. How the fuck this is acceptable? I just have no words. What makes it even worse that I couldn't even complain about it on their support pages - they just keep removing my comm…

That is incidentally one of the many papercuts that are widely accepted in Windows, but never were a problem on a mac. Don’t try to interact with a windows desktop while it is still booting up. Better to wait for everything to settle down, otherwise apps will constantly snatch away focus and your typing will go into random applications.

> Don’t try to interact with a windows desktop while it is still booting up

I experience the same with macOS. For example Discord steals focus.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

Great article.

I put a Teams meeting on my second monitor. I put Teams on my first monitor. I minimize Teams to look at something in a browser on the first monitor. The Teams meeting on the second monitor minimizes, too.

Mac window management UX is dogshit in a lot of different ways. There are a lot of problems that I either have to just deal with, or try to find some third party app to solve in lieu of Apple actually caring about UX again.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by ekropotin »

signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

I have maybe unpopular opinion, but Apple always been terrible in UX.

Just to give a few examples which annoys me the most:

- Finder. It just something else. After 10 years of using OSX I still can’t figure out how to use it efficiently for selecting the path - this experience is different every time, depending on the context where Finder was called from. I just don’t get.

- Lack of the true tiling window manager experience. Yes, there is Yabai, but it still suck due to the fact that you can’t have truly independent spaces each with individual layout and stack of windows.

- Infamous Magic Mouse’s charting port at the bottom.

I just wish I could have normal Linux natively on MB Pro.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by dunham »

ramijames wrote: post #530
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

The worst part is the audiocore substack that is glitching. I waited to major subversions to upgrade and still got bit. I hate this.

Yeah, for me with a USB headset, the audio will go noisy about two minutes into a video / podcast. It clears up if I restart and doesn't happen when playing to the internal speakers.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by Atlas26 »

Saline9515 wrote: post #114
foxandmouse wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Yes, but Linux is finally in that position, not to mention we're seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.

Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI. It doesn't handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland/X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently). Let's not even talk about the case when you have monitors that have different DPI, something that is handled seamlessly by MacOS, unlike Linux where it feels like a d20 roll de…

> Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI.

I’m glad everyone is dogpiling on this statement cause man people seriously have to stop parroting this years out of date claim at this point. Any big well supported distro using Wayland should be fine, at the very least KDE and GNOME are guaranteed work perfectly with HiDPI.

Daily Fedora KDE user here on 4K HiDPI monitor plus another of a different lower resolution, flawless experience using both together in a setup. Fractional scaling also there working perfectly as well and you choose how you want KDE to scale the apps if you want (forcefully or let the app decide).

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