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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by eboynyc32 »

mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

I think Tahoe is great on my m1 studio. It’s the first os update in a long time that I actually like. The new design feels very futuristic. And I think I’ll get an m5 MacBook Air. There no better computer deal . Even my m1 computer 5 year old still never has any issue with video or render. It’s insane.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by _kidlike »

bapak wrote: post #846
Aperocky wrote: post #817

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What does AI performance even mean for intel based mac systems.. The last one was like 5 years ago?

Check all the comparisons on their website. They're not comparing their products to the previous gen, they're comparing them to years-old system. They could sell you a downgrade and still stay 2x M1 Pro performance (it was 4x from last year) Apple is a marketing company made to sell stuff.

I've always disliked Apple because of its aggressive marketing..

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

georgel wrote: post #655
kenjackson wrote: post #611

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The latest iPhone OS (iOS 26) is embarrassing. The number of glitches and amount of UI sloppiness is crazy for a company that historically prided itself on the details. It's the first major iOS update I've taken that just seems almost strictly worse than its predecessor.

This feels more like a repeat of iOS7 to me.

iOS 7 was the first version of iOS that looked good. Its release was far better and stable be than this liquid glass thing.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by jdiff »

zingar wrote: post #847
XelNika wrote: post #819

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> production 1.7GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645, 16GB of RAM, and 2TB SSD https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/#footnote-4 So yes, that is compared to a very old 14 nm design, presumably the i7-8557U per Wikipedia.

Your comment implies that it’s obviously not this spec that they compare against. Could you spell it out for the ignorant like me? What about that config makes it definitely not the thing that is 86x slower?

I don't see anything in the GP that implies that. It's simply a CPU that was released before an entire AI economic bubble was a twinkle in Jensen Huang's eye. Of course it has piss-poor AI performance vs something with hardware dedicated to accelerating that workflow.

It's not that the comparison is incorrect, just that it's a silly and unenlightening statement, bordering on completely devoid of meaning if it weren't for the x86 pun.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by dimator »

nielsbot wrote: post #859
bapak wrote: post #846

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Check all the comparisons on their website. They're not comparing their products to the previous gen, they're comparing them to years-old system. They could sell you a downgrade and still stay 2x M1 Pro performance (it was 4x from last year) Apple is a marketing company made to sell stuff.

> Apple is a marketing company made to sell stuff. That's like... every company? Are you saying they don't have good tech?

Gp is saying their primary expertise is advertising. It's hard to watch any apple announcement and not notice how utterly hyperbolic they are at touting their own achievements.

Ya sure, you can say that every company must do that, but apple are exceptional at it. Once you start noticing the unlabeled performance charts, the missing baselines, the comparing with ages old models, the disingenuous "86x" metrics, the whole show becomes cringe worthy.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Cloudef »

dralley wrote: post #293
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #18

I appreciate Apple propping up the GPU performance of their SoC but it feels a bit pointless when all the libraries they provide are so insular and disconnected from the rest of the industry. I personally wish they would learn from the failure of Metal. Also unleashes ? Really? The marketing madness has to stop at some point.

Not that I've actually used any of these APIs, but supposedly Metal is the best designed Graphics API by a decent margin, it's just handicapped severely by how insular they and their ecosystem are.

> Metal is the best designed Graphics API

API that has dependency on objective-c runtime doesn't sound very good

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by pjmlp »

speedgoose wrote: post #245
kokada wrote: post #137

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> Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same tasks ive been last couple of years. I have a work provided M2 Pro with 32GB of RAM. After the Tahoe upgrade it feels like one of the sluggish PCs at the house. It is the only one that I can see the mouse teleporting sometimes when I move it fast. This is after disabling transparency in Accessibility settings mind you, it was even worse before.

Do you have a few electron powered apps that didn’t get updated yet? Electron used to override a private function that makes the Mac OS sluggish on Tahoe, and apparently no one uses Electron apps while doing testing at Apple.

WWDC keynote on the state of the nation was quite clear on what Apple thinks about Electron and related stuff like React Native.

Hence I am not surprised that they ignore their existence.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by operatingthetan »

dmitshur wrote: post #851

It’ll be interesting to see how quickly this chip becomes available in the MacBook Air and Mac mini. So far those still have the previous M4 only. If it doesn’t happen later this week, how long would the wait be? A few months? More?

Apple seems to be following a regular schedule of new Macbook Pros in October and Macbook Airs in March. Could change though!

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Auracle »

adastra22 wrote: post #592
knotimpressed wrote: post #91

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Assuming you've read https://andymasley.substack.com/p/a-cheat-sheet-for-conversa... or the longer full essay/related works, could you elaborate on why you don't use Apple Intelligence? I totally understand why someone would refuse to use it due to environmental reasons (amongst others) but I'm curious to hear your opinions on it.

> I totally understand why someone would refuse to use it due to environmental reasons Huh. This one baffles me.

Energy use, presumably.

Of course, are those same users always running their screens super dim? Are they using pen + paper instead of typing whenever they can?

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