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Re: Sora 2

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Post by maxglute »

squidsoup wrote: post #406
echelon wrote: post #229

I'm a software engineer and hobbyist actor/director. My friends are in the film industry and are in IATSE and SAG-AFTRA. I've made photons-on-glass films for decades, and I frequently film stuff with my friends for festivals. I love this AI video technology. Here are some of the films my friends and I have been making with AI. These are not "prompted", but instead use a lot of hand animation, rotoscoping, and human v…

Creative people with ambition and limited resources make good things today without this technology. All this does is accelerate the rate at which low quality "content" is produced by people that have no interest in learning a craft, without attribution and without compensation for the people that have made the effort and whose works train these models.

We mustn't teach peasants how to read or write or else one day we'll live in hellscape of infinte unread inboxes and eternal september... both of which sucks, but much less than a world where masses were illiterate. Ai art/slop is just that for visual communication. Now it's supremely shitty this power is currently being monetized / controlled by a few, the same way communication material like papyrus and paper was jealously guarded/exploited before printing press proliferated, then the mistake that was the internet giving desemination power to every pleb. But there's free models out there and maybe (hopefully) in the not too distant from now the barrier to entry is accessible commodity level hardware and artists just have to eat shit and realize they've contributing to the creative common/canon like those before, i.e. world where monks/literati simply copied and duplicated work in pre copyright era because knowledge/expression, unless jealously guarded, was a collective resource to be built upon.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

jplusequalt wrote: post #822
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

I have been saying this for a long time--generative art is just fine grained consumption. Instead of searching through YouTube/TikTok for content that may interest you, you can now just ask your LLM to generate what you want to see that moment. It's the next evolution of keeping the masses addicted to their devices, and we as software engineers are gleefully supporting this ... because?

Because it pays our bills?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by skybrian »

qwerasdf5 wrote: post #838
skybrian wrote: post #270

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The result of that isn't rational skepticism, though. It's distrusting mainstream news and embracing whatever conspiracy theories your friends believe.

Wait, when did mainstream news become trustworthy? =)

Distrusting all mainstream news indiscriminately (or whenever you feel like it) is at least as bad as trusting it indiscriminately.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Awesomedonut »

Their anime vid gen is really, really impressive. The results I've seen aren't /good/ from an industry-standard (nothing compared to the likes of the Demon Slayer movie I watched in theatres recently), but I legitimately couldn't tell that it was AI-generated. Massive step up from Sora 1 and other vid gen models.

Here's to hoping that the industry will adapt to have it aid animators for in-betweening and other things that supplement production. Anime studios are infamously terrible with overworking their employees, so I legitimately see benefits coming from this tool if devs can get it to function as proper frame interpolation (where animators do the keyframes themselves and the model in-betweens).

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ipaddr »

astrange wrote: post #831
ipaddr wrote: post #710

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You get insurance to manage risk. You factor in roof repairs, vacancy rates when determining rent meanwhile your property value over the last 10 years in most places around the world have at least doubled and more. Doesn't mean the next 10 years will see that growth but if you believe your country/area's population will grow it is probably a good investment for now in the western world.

Insurance is not free money and you can't simply distribute risks among your tenants because the risks are correlated. Like I said, you can tell it doesn't work because these businesses don't exist. There are essentially no landlords who own multiple single family homes. They do exist for multifamily and commercial.

I know plenty of people who own multiple houses. And plenty of houses that get rented and paid to the owner/landlord.

Insurance is not free money its a pool of money gathered from monthly payments together to offset risk. You don't need to distribute the risk over all of your homes you buy a policy for each home.

This stuff is 101. And works all around the world. There is even an app called airbnb that will find short term rentals for your house.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by wilg »

jrflowers wrote: post #692
wilg wrote: post #576

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While I'm glad you had fun crafting an annoying reply, that's not analogous to what I said.

Your point was either that the fake video of a guy doing a backflip is the same thing as the invention of the radio or that if something bad is happening, nothing that happens can make it worse. Or somehow video generation software would have solved fascism in advance by previously not existing, which is proof that it is now good. The first two are very smart but if you were talking plainly about the outcomes of time…

Incredibly, my point was none of those, as you well know!

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Post by popalchemist »

Legend2440 wrote: post #276
kossTKR wrote: post #98

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Wow that is dark, after Ghiblis staunch stance on AI. These companies and their shareholders really are complete scum in my eyes, just like AI in miltech. Not because the tech isn't super interesting but because they steal years of hard work and pain from actual artists with zero compensation - and then they brag about it in the most horrible way possible, with zero empathy. Then comes losing the little humanity left…

The Miyzaki quote is out of context, he isn't talking about generative AI but rather a 2016 animation of a creepy zombie whose limbs are controlled by AI.

In the full context, he is literally admonishing young developers who created ai and animation automation software as a possible alternative to handmade animation. He rips into them not only for their technical failure but for missing the point of what he does, which is human expression.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by popalchemist »

BoorishBears wrote: post #793
ksynwa wrote: post #726

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The common thread I am seeing with replacing creative work with AI is that of lowering the bar of acceptability and counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings from taking human labour out of the equation. The cost of labour is not just the raw cost but also the bargaining power that they can exercise by going on strikes etc. From my limited understanding, creatives seem to have more unions than programmers gi…

> is that of lowering the bar of acceptability Yes. > counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings No. It's all about personalization. Even with all the money in the world you couldn't sit a filming crew, VFX specialist, foley artist, and voice actors next to every user of your app, ready to produce new content in 60 seconds. I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing, it's unlocking genuinely new…

>I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing, it's unlocking genuinely new forms of interactive media.

Because it directly impacts people's ability to earn a living. If you truly don't understand this, I think you should spend some time talking to people who are impacted by it. Artists, and so on. Seriously, this is a head-in-the-sand take.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by BoorishBears »

ksynwa wrote: post #797
BoorishBears wrote: post #793

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> is that of lowering the bar of acceptability Yes. > counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings No. It's all about personalization. Even with all the money in the world you couldn't sit a filming crew, VFX specialist, foley artist, and voice actors next to every user of your app, ready to produce new content in 60 seconds. I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing, it's unlocking genuinely new…

What kind of personalisations are you hoping to see with this tech? > I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing It's inextricably linked with labour. That doesn't mean that labour is only factor but it's an important one nonetheless.

You write a sentence and get out media... what more personalization are you looking for?

And no, labor is not a factor in the way you tried to frame it.

There is absolutely no one tying up $250,000 in GPUs to let users spit out a funny clip of Sam Altman jumping over a chair because they think that's a smart way a way to get out of paying artists.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by BoorishBears »

popalchemist wrote: post #868
BoorishBears wrote: post #793

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> is that of lowering the bar of acceptability Yes. > counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings No. It's all about personalization. Even with all the money in the world you couldn't sit a filming crew, VFX specialist, foley artist, and voice actors next to every user of your app, ready to produce new content in 60 seconds. I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing, it's unlocking genuinely new…

>I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing, it's unlocking genuinely new forms of interactive media. Because it directly impacts people's ability to earn a living. If you truly don't understand this, I think you should spend some time talking to people who are impacted by it. Artists, and so on. Seriously, this is a head-in-the-sand take.

It's very bizarre to act this is being done in order to replace artists.

I build gen AI for entertainment: I don't build to replace anyone, and if my product gets eyeballs existing creators can't, it's because it gives the consumer something they wanted to see in the world.

Past that you're just complaining that consumers don't want what you made.

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