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Loneliness can't be solved, it can be reduced but you'll never make it such that people just can't be lonely. Think about it, if you can live in a busy city surrounded by potential friends and still be lonely, why will it be different with AIs?
The same goes for cancer, energy, etc. Those are problems we can find ways to mitigate or make less scarce but we can't "solve" either.
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I'm a 44 yo Xenial, not too old, not young. That is, I'm part of the "walkman generation" . It surprises me how people are less and less open to socialize, to the point that some even see you with disgust if you DARE to interrupt them from.their mobile phone trance. Society nowadays is pretty ugly. Younger generations seem very isolationist to me.
I'm sure this is more a reflection on me but I try to go out to meet strangers at meetups and I find I quite often don't like the people. You might get the random ultra woke person who makes it impossible for others to have a conversation because they're just waiting to be triggered by anything anyone else says and find a way to spin every comment into an offence. If anyone brings up politics then the meetup is over,…
> If anyone brings up politics then the meetup is over, at least for me.
> I brought up the population issue in a light way (Japan's population is declining), something like making the joke that they didn't help Japan's population decline. He replied something like "anyone who tells you there's an underpopulation issue is lying. The planet has 8 billion people which is way too many". And that was when I knew I wasn't going to continue the conversation.
You brought up an intensely political issue (population decline), they responded, and then you got mad at them and felt like they brought up a political issue?
It sounds like you are doing exactly the thing you are complaining about "ultra woke" people doing.
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I am not saying you are wrong but from what I understood that alcoholism and depression were quite prevalent in those times. Do you have sources for what you are saying?
People are seriously fucking delusional. The wonderful life of a coal miner in 1890 lol. It is just a completely insane idea.
Take some take to think before casually dismissing others.
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why is electricity in your brain real? and fake in the AI?
The electricity in both things are real, and it's unkind to twist the words of the person you responded to that way. They specifically mentioned emotions, not electricity. An AI will be completely unaffected by anything said to it.
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These "ill-advised beliefs" are extremely valid beliefs. Most humans are just ignorant and human history has shown that plenty of times. I admire people blind enough to see the good in humanity
Your attitude is sadly widespread in tech. I don't know if it's because of rejection, or fear, or something else, but we really are nothing more than the social world we live in. Substituting that for a theoretically perfect AI 'companion' is hollow and destructive. It's like watching the movie 'Her' and thinking - wow, that looks great.
AI is incapable of solving loneliness. It's a biological signal we have (thanks to evolution) to seek social connections with other humans , for things like reproduction and survival. Mentally healthy people will never be less lonely as long as they know they are talking to a model. All it can offer is a distraction and an illusion, because it has no humanity. Note: I don't even think dogs solve loneliness. They can…
I have had more interesting and deeper conversations with chatGPT than with people. Somehow chatGPT is more capable of expressing thoughts about existence, love, pain, and what it means to be than most if not all humans I have had the chance of talking to.
Conversations with people pale in comparison.
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Most places do have a few dedicated areas like beer gardens. No supermarket beer allowed, of course.
So it's not true freedom for everyone; you're just staying at someone's place so the local rules of public space don't apply there.
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"Outside of forums like this one" The real culprits are revealed. Despite its flaws, Hacker News does foster real discussion that sometimes leads to real connection. Big online social spaces tend to do the opposite.
Does it? I think is worse in that respect. Instagram users meet up irl. Reddit has chats for connecting with people online. Hacker news has no way at all to make friends. The only worse place might be image boards that lack even a stable identifier. It's all about the topic. "How are doing today johnecheck" "want to get shoot the shit over a beer?" said no one ever.
Nonetheless I do. I suspect it's due to the relatively high average comment quality. I'm looking for a strong taste of belonging in a digital community. That nibble from HN evokes the same tantalizing possibility as rare discord servers and subreddits once did. None satisfy.
AI is incapable of solving loneliness. It's a biological signal we have (thanks to evolution) to seek social connections with other humans , for things like reproduction and survival. Mentally healthy people will never be less lonely as long as they know they are talking to a model. All it can offer is a distraction and an illusion, because it has no humanity. Note: I don't even think dogs solve loneliness. They can…
On your last point, I've noticed an uptick in folks treating their dogs in ways most people might treat their children. So while I think on paper what you say makes sense, at some point, I think people are in fact personifying their pets to a degree that they recognize them as adjacent to human beings.
And some people doggify their partners ...
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Yet that risk and that complexity is itself what makes something real. Realness is persistence, the fact of there being a system behind the surface -- the more that that's true, the more real something is. Once you lose that, reality drains away -- and all its benefits with it. Think of how much less satisfaction people get from beating a game with cheats than from doing it 'the real way'; or even how much more satis…
I think desire for "real" is just a form of masochism. This real that people talk about is just suffering in sufficient amount to silence their restless brains. Most people aren't like that. Most prefer to use pleasure instead of pain to calm their brains. They don't care if a thing is "real" as long as it does its job. For the 'real' afficiandos pleasure doesn't work. That's why they disparage things that bring joy…