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AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks

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In the UK we've got amazing National Health Service informational websites[1], and regional variations of those [2]. For some issues, you might get different advice in the Scottish one than the UK-wide one. So, if you've gone into labour somewhere in the remote Highlands and Islands, you'll get different advice than if you lived in Central London, where there's a delivery room within a 30 minute drive. Google's AI ov…

> ignores the high-quality NHS care delivery websites, and presents you with stuff from US sites Weird because although I dislike what Google Search has become as much as any other HNer, one thing that mostly does work well is localised content. Since I live in a small country next to a big country that speaks the same language, it's quite noticeable to me that Google goes to great lengths to find the actually releva…

Just a point of one, but when you have a German SIM with a German contract in the German mobilephone network, Google thinks your're in Romania. I mean I don't mind that, because I don't need Google to know accurately where I am.

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Lots of things only occasionally work but are still very useful. Google search for example. Would you say "pah why are you shipping a search engine that only sometimes finds what I'm looking for?"?

Search engines don't claim to provide answers. They search for documents that match a query and provide a list of documents it has roughly in order of relevance. If there's nothing answering what I was looking for, I might try again with synonyms, or the think documents aren't indexed, or they don't exist. That's a very different failure mode than blatantly lying to me. By lying to me, I'm not blaming myself, I'm bla…

LLMs also don't claim to provide useful answers, they claim to produce plausible text, which I think they do very well.

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Of course slow, shitty web sites also cause a massive drop in clicks, as soon as an alternative to clicking emerges. It's just like on HN, if I see an interesting title and want to know what the article is about, I can wince and click the article link, but it's much faster and easier to click the HN comments link and infer the info I want from the comments. That difference is almost entirely from the crappy overdesig…

> faster and easier to click the HN comments link and infer the info I want from the comments Or, youre confusing primordial desire to be aligned with perceived peers -- checking what others say, then effortlessly nodding along -- with forming your own judgment.

No, I think I like comments to disagree with me, when they don't what information am I getting?

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Iv'e been focusing on comments on social media for I don't know how long. It works 90% of the time as a pretty good summary for some reason. I do this on hackernews, and especially on news-sites I check (cleantechnica, electrec, reneweconomy) and I actively shun sites _without_ comments.

If you're only reading the comments you have no clue how often it actually works as a summary.

When I read the sites themself after reading the comments I'm often disappointed, because they contain no useful information that wasn't already in the comments.

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Firefox for Android can handle uBlock Origin, probably NoScript as well. It's the one thing keeping me on Android at this point.

I run desktop Firefox on my GNU/Linux phone, so I could leave Android behind.

Which phone are you using? How is your experience?

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I run desktop Firefox on my GNU/Linux phone, so I could leave Android behind.

Which phone are you using? How is your experience?

Librem 5 is my daily driver, buy I'll just give links to good, extensive reviews:

https://forums.puri.sm/t/nine-months-librem-5-as-my-only-pho...

https://forums.puri.sm/t/a-l5-review-1-week-to-my-ready-to-s...

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It is at fault for lying, but only a base person would go out in the real world and try to make other people responsible for the lies they were told by a robot. A base and egocentric person.

And ChatGPT pointed said person right at an innocent third party.

ChatGPT pointed them at an authority figure who informed them of the situation from their point of view. Some folks don’t handle being corrected or being told that they are wrong or mistaken very well. I’m willing to let ChatGPT share some of the blame, but the human in the loop is determined to shirk all responsibility rightfully borne by them, so I’m less willing to give them any benefit of the doubt. I don’t doubt that they are being entirely unreasonable, so I don’t think their interpretation of events is relevant to how ChatGPT operates generally.

Unreasonable people are wrong to be unreasonable. This is not new. Technological solutions don’t map to problems of interpersonal relations neatly, as this example shows.

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I recently quit YT premium after decades of having it, and now I actually (weirdly) feel good when I see ads bc it's a reminder that I'm not giving Googletube 20$/month

I wouldn't use the word decades to describe a time span of less than 11 years at maximum, but you do you!

touché, I suppose it was "more than 3/4/5 years" and my sense of time is, unfortunately, warped

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> independent from Google Not really: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38253384

Unlike Firefox, Safari has another huge corporate backer (Apple). Apple is drowning in cash. They don't need Google's money to keep developing Safari. It's "just" a good, low-effort deal for them. Apple doesn't have a competing search engine, or an intention to develop one, or an intention to promote a free web and "save" their users from a search engine monopoly.

> Apple doesn't have a competing search engine

Because Google pays them not to make it.

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Lol, if you want to support them pay their patreon. The few cents they get from you paying premium won't support them.

I don't understand what point you're attempting to make. Yes, of course if you pay someone $5 a month on Patreon, they'll be getting more money from you than if you just used Premium or disabled your adblocker. And if you paid them $100/month, that would be more than $5. So? Why does that make it okay to use an adblocker?

Because google already has enough money and the people I watch won't be getting any useful amount of money anyway, so why go through it?
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